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Posted: **Fri Apr 25, 2008 5:34 pm**

I'll be at the Sanctuary on Saturday, and plan on taking some draws and biners to replace the ones on Jesus Wept and Peace Frog.

Post here if you do more... so we don't redo anything...

Posted: **Fri Apr 25, 2008 6:38 pm**

Thanks!

To all volunteers: remove only the worn stuff. If it's brand new, it's just been put up, and should be left alone.

Rick

Posted: **Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:44 pm**

I put some project draws on Prometheus in mid to late January they should still be in pretty good shape, if someone wants to replace them I would like them back

Posted: **Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:52 pm**

Your draws are still good Jerry. I did flip one of the draws though... the clipping biner was sticking and wouldn't close.... the first one over the roof.

Posted: **Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:07 pm**

Posted April 25

Help is needed from climbers in the Sanctuary and Solarium in Muir to avoid a closure of the routes. Please pass the word.

Due to the challenging nature of the climbs in these two areas, quickdraws have been left clipped to the hanger brackets. These draws have been subjected to many hard lead falls and lowerings off. Many are in poor condition and at risk of failure, due to significant wear and the effects of weather.

As many of you know, for the past year, Iâ€™ve been trying to recruit help in replacing this worn gear. Several of you have offered to help, but it ends there--with good intentions, but little action. Iâ€™ve inspected and replaced a few draws, but many remain. Yes, these are my walls, but you are the ones who climb â€˜em (for free) â€“ you fix â€˜em.

Because nothing else has worked, perhaps an incentive is in order. At the end of the day on Sunday, May 4, 2008, I will start removing the hanger brackets from any route in the Solarium or Sanctuary still having worn draws, and the route will be closed. Either A. Remove the worn draws and leave the bracket empty. B. Replace the old draw with a new one, preferably with a steel biner at the rope end. Or, C. The route will be closed. Your choice.

Rick Weber

an ultimatum? and only 9 days to remove draws that only a select few that you told had any idea that you wanted them removed?

i must say, i'm glad i will never be a route developer in muir - that would really suck to spend countless hours bolting/cleaning only to have the land owner remove your route because someone else hung their draws on it too long.

obviously i am not the person to help because i lack tact, but perhaps i might suggest that the Friends of Muir Valley appoint a PR rep for you so that, next time you want something specific done, they can word it in such a way that it doesn't make you come off looking like a jerk.

Posted: **Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:13 pm**

Are you kidding me? You are certainty correct in saying you lack tact when you criticize the Webers for trying to ensure their property remains safe and accident free for people like us to climb on.

Posted: **Sun Apr 27, 2008 11:02 pm**

Hey endercore. Here's a news flash. When you're rock climbing outdoors, you're responsable for your own safety! Always! Muir isn't a gym any more than any other place in the Red.

If you come up on some suspect gear when you're on a climb, you have a choice to make; trust it and keep going, back off, or stop and replace it if you're able to. We've got to get away from this gym-bred mentality that someone else is responsable for our safety.

And while I appreciate Weber letting people climb on his land, I also think he's acting like a control freak with all his rules. Where's Buster when we need him?

Posted: **Sun Apr 27, 2008 11:14 pm**

you guys are all ridiculous; no wonder people keep closing their land to thankless climbers

Posted: **Sun Apr 27, 2008 11:14 pm**

if it wasn't for the webers, a lot more climbing would be closed at the red

Posted: **Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:50 am**

Good thing you don't look like a jerk posting from a new account anonymously while ripping on private land owners for decisions regarding their own property.

tactless wrote:Posted April 25
Help is needed from climbers in the Sanctuary and Solarium in Muir to avoid a closure of the routes. Please pass the word.

Due to the challenging nature of the climbs in these two areas, quickdraws have been left clipped to the hanger brackets. These draws have been subjected to many hard lead falls and lowerings off. Many are in poor condition and at risk of failure, due to significant wear and the effects of weather.

As many of you know, for the past year, Iâ€™ve been trying to recruit help in replacing this worn gear. Several of you have offered to help, but it ends there--with good intentions, but little action. Iâ€™ve inspected and replaced a few draws, but many remain. Yes, these are my walls, but you are the ones who climb â€˜em (for free) â€“ you fix â€˜em.

Because nothing else has worked, perhaps an incentive is in order. At the end of the day on Sunday, May 4, 2008, I will start removing the hanger brackets from any route in the Solarium or Sanctuary still having worn draws, and the route will be closed. Either A. Remove the worn draws and leave the bracket empty. B. Replace the old draw with a new one, preferably with a steel biner at the rope end. Or, C. The route will be closed. Your choice.

Rick Weber
an ultimatum? and only 9 days to remove draws that only a select few that you told had any idea that you wanted them removed?

i must say, i'm glad i will never be a route developer in muir - that would really suck to spend countless hours bolting/cleaning only to have the land owner remove your route because someone else hung their draws on it too long.

obviously i am not the person to help because i lack tact, but perhaps i might suggest that the Friends of Muir Valley appoint a PR rep for you so that, next time you want something specific done, they can word it in such a way that it doesn't make you come off looking like a jerk.

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Replacing draws at Sanctuary and Solarium

Replacing draws at Sanctuary and Solarium