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anticlmber wrote:
diverse as long as they weren't slaves???? what i was saying was the lack of color if you will. i said we would be a euro-centric country. quote it all.

Scores of immigrants poured into this country starting in the late 1800s forming the idea of the "melting pot." That includes non-European and non-African people who were not slaves. Diversity would still exist if slavery didn't.

just curios as to what non-european countries. Asia, yes some. many of them were brought here to work on the rail roads. and not for a fair wage. just about anyone coming from across the atlantic, porbably euro. yasmeen doesn't count.

Around that time, Mexicans were one of the larger groups aside from Europeans. Get out of eastern KY and you'll see who else showed up. Even if wages were poor, they weren't slaves. America brought together crackers and non-crackers - diversity and equal rights were new concepts.

been around. still just euro-trash. i wouldn't call the mexicans immigrants. they were here first. besides see the other post if you want to bash them. i think this one is just about blacks. Hey Alan can i say black??? that's not racist is it??

I'm only here because Pru needed a "special" kind of slave, so you're right, anticlmber-- I don't count.

anticlmber wrote:been around. still just euro-trash. i wouldn't call the mexicans immigrants. they were here first. besides see the other post if you want to bash them. i think this one is just about blacks. Hey Alan can i say black??? that's not racist is it??

There's not a hint of bashing. Mexican people are great - much more fun than Germans/german-descent.

That said, Indians sure know how to party!

1/2 eastern euro-trash here

My grandpa's family (moms side and he was the first one born in america) came over from Austria-Hungary to be employed in the steel mills around Cleveland. The local steel mills were telling immigrants to spread the word back home and they came over with jobs waiting. I have relatives that keep coming inline till the early 60's and were directly employed in the steel and auto industries.

charlie wrote:tomdarch, dude seriously. Generally I'm with most everything you write but you continue to embarrass yourself in this thread.

I'm interested in more specifics than what you cite below. What, specifically, is so embarassing?

Cheney's from Wyoming and Texas is west of the Mississippi. It's more Mexico than the South.

Sure, you could argue that Cheney, Perle, Wolfowitz, etc. were really behind the lousy decision to invade Iraq (and the bungled aftermath), and none of them are terribly Southern. But the buck stops with El Presidente, and while Texas has some positive influences from Mexican and "Western/Mountain" cultures, it's still fundamentally "Southern". (Slave/Confederate state, patterns of migrations, etc. And have you heard Texans talk? Oy vey!) Within Southern culture, y'all can argue about wether Texas is 'southern enough' but for the rest of the country and the world, Texas is part of the South. (Florida, on the other hand, isn't, of course) Now, if you want to debate what part of the country Oklahoma fits into, then you've got an interesting debate...

Having just returned from North America visiting my sis in Ontario, I have a newly refreshed perspective on culture and geography........

Serioiusly, I'd be interested to hear what you thought.

Welcome to the South, now go the fuck back home.

Hmmm... Why does the phrase "Southern hospitality" cause the image of a body hanging from a tree to pop to mind...

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