Saxman wrote:Let me see, how many miracles have occured in modern times and witnessed by masses of people? Gee, I wonder why that is? What's even more funny is that with everyone having camera and video phones, half the planet is capable of capturing god's hand live and plastering it on the net. What? That hasn't happened? Darn, I guess God is on the down low right now just to test us.
"Fabled monster caught on video" Nessie is back! I wonder if Adam and Eve(Steve) hunted Nessie?
ElectricDisciple wrote:So you concede the existance of miracles now huh? Since when did an evolutionary, naturalistic person believe in miracles? You're not supposed to believe in the supernatural...
Pretty sure there was a sarcastic undertone to his post...
"I snatched defeat from the jaws of victory." --Paul
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There are some really silly people here.
Attempting to debate fact with belief.
The debate isnt if God exists, just as Santa Clause does. In the hearts and minds of millions of children. For them, he is real. It is perfectly reasonable for people to believe in something , to use as a guide or path. But it is morally wrong to teach such things (magical things like the physical act of parting the Red Sea) are fact and defined in history.
Esop wrote fables to teach morals and life lessons. His writings are not scripture.
Once again, religious people never question the scholarship of the people who gave us MRI's yet they question people who dedicate their lives to studying how the universe works and how the earth came to be the way it is. Lovely double standard.
The theory of evolution is just as stupid as the theories of gravity and electromagnetism.
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I gotta say that debating this is silly for a Christian and in fact is not very "Christ like".
What I don't like about mainstream christianity is that it pretends to know all the answers. We exist on formulas, trite answers to hard questions, and insist our faith cannot be faith if we have doubt. So we pile on all these rules and laws and answers onto folks who have a little bit of faith and want to explore the life of Jesus.
Then when a hard question comes along that they can't answer, or they go to college and a professor thoroughly challenges one of the answers they've been given, the only reasonable step they can think of is to abandon their faith all together... which is sad, but Christianity has done it to itself.
I personally think that arguing these things are missing the point. The point is for Christians that we have been shown a great example of what it is to be truly a human being. We have been asked to take care of the poor, stand up for those who can't stand up for themselves, to give up on religion all together, and to try to live a life of love for others. I don't see anywhere in Jesus life that he argued the creation story or even gave simple answers to anything. He just asked lots of questions and worked to tear down the religious dogmatic system of the day that did way more harm than good.
how is opening a museum about a creation poem taking care of the poor and serving social justice?
So now it looks like we've totally forgotten that and decided to go back to being unintelligent, unthinking drones who serve a santa claus god who says if you're good you get presents, and if you don't you still do anyway. only if you're good you get more presents. yay.
a literal interpretation of the bible turned me away from God for several years. reading it as a story, with a poetic beginning and ending and a journey that ends with God making himself one of us brought me back. But it was written by people, not God.
Hell, there are even two accounts of creation in the first part of Genesis, because the ancient oral tradition was to both tell a story and also recite a song or poem about it. The more I study about the bible the more I learn it is quite an amazing thing that should be constantly interpretted. Us protestants are glad that John Calvin reinterpreted scripture, but somehow we've decided that we don't need to do it anymore... why? because people are way harder to control if you don't have rules.
think christians... have a doubt and ask questions about what you believe. and if you want to fight about the world being 6000 years old and call people names, then please stop calling yourself Christian, cuz we don't need any more bad press than we already get.
any hey non believers, please don't hold these people to the same standards they hold themselves too... stop asking them to be perfect. that's the same thing they are dealing with in their churches.
peace. take care of each other. be well.
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If my small brain has boiled down somewhat of what you said correctly, let me know...
There have been too many cooks in the kitchen of Christianity and applied corporate red tape to confuse even the faithfull. The guideline has been been turned from a roadmap to an atlas and no two beginnings and ends go exactly where they should.
If that isnt correct, then once again, im wrong.
"My Shit is Fucked Up." --Warren Zevon and Terry Kindred.
If my small brain has boiled down somewhat of what you said correctly, let me know...
There have been too many cooks in the kitchen of Christianity and applied corporate red tape to confuse even the faithfull. The guideline has been been turned from a roadmap to an atlas and no two beginnings and ends go exactly where they should.
If that isnt correct, then once again, im wrong.
Your mixed metaphors are pretty solid dude!!!
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