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OZ wrote:I've learned a few things...

Don't ever rag on somebody that might have done something that could have caused an access issue because they really didn't cause a problem anyway.

Despite all the access problems we have in the area, we shouldn't take steps
to insure that things perceived as overly dangerous are not done.

Sport climbing is more dangerous than soloing. Thus, when I solo at Muir I should be safer than when roped. I should be - the % says so.

oz, no offense but nope you didnt learn. 8)

rag all you want to them. in person but make it a discussion not a lecture. the land owner would have NEVER known about the solo had the peanut gallery on here not brought it to national attention. x and r trad routes get done daily. solos in the area are done weekly. people skip bolts, people take victory whips, people speed to the cliff, people dont pay attention when belaying. many dangers are happening as i type. yes we can try to control them but you cannot and will never be able to tell people how to climb. if you want to rant, rag on things that WILL close the cliff . out of anyone on this board i do all i can to help keep areas open, your preaching to the choir.

soloing will not close the cliff. many other actions that are in our control to stop will. read above.

no, soloing is the MOST dangerous game a climber can play. the people that play it are usually skilled enough mentally and physically to pull it off. i never said it was safer, only that a less % of people doing it will ever get hurt or die. how many climbing accidents in the gorge have you heard or read about ? how many involved solos ? imo, soloing on corbin sandstone is just asking for something to happen. but thats me, greg or anyone does not have to climb how i or you climb or how i or you think climbing should be. thats the joys of this game we play.

edited: not wanting to be a hippocrite, im done with my share of keeping this thread rolling in the public view. if you do want to talk ethics, access or midgets mud wrestling with horatio please pm or email.

I heard that Horatoes nuts are majicly delicious. Is this true? Short little green guy told me so.

Toad wrote:Good points 512OW. But, I think it all comes down to perception. How
does the landowner perceive the difference between a roped climber
getting hurt and a soloist dropping to the ground? What are the perceived
degrees of control taken between the two?

I still think it was a pretty cool solo. I wish I could have seen it. I wish he
would have downclimbed it, too.


And, leave my haphazard hiking style out of this.

My guess is that the landowner doesn't know the difference. Hes gonna think that roping up for a steep 5.12 is crazier than soloing a 40 foot 5.14 slab.

[quote="OZ"]I've learned a few things...

Don't ever rag on somebody that might have done something that could have caused an access issue because they really didn't cause a problem anyway.


You have got to be kidding, right? By your rational, we shouldn't "rag" on drunk drivers if they don't kill anyone and cause a problem.

This thread is over.

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heavyc wrote:incredibly irresponsible, soloist with a brain solo on rock more reliable than sandstone

RRG sandstone is hard in comparison to Red Rocks, where Bachar solo'd the Gift (5.12d). But of course bachar downclimbed the climb next to it rather than haul a rope

idlot this is jeremy petrovich and I call em like I C em

yo J...how bouts signing up for your own account, so we can razz you like everyone else without getting our targets mixed up? no fair having a dual identity.

this is j...i think pigsteak should rot in hell and quit posting on here. bohica soloed rules! $20000000 to the person that can solo cutthroat with ballerina outfits attached to their abdomens.

gbarnett wrote:

heavyc wrote:incredibly irresponsible, soloist with a brain solo on rock more reliable than sandstone

RRG sandstone is hard in comparison to Red Rocks, where Bachar solo'd the Gift (5.12d). But of course bachar downclimbed the climb next to it rather than haul a rope

No way Red rock stone is softer than the RRG.