whatever happened to onsight climbing???

Post by **squeezindlemmon** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 7:08 pm

I love group hugs!

Meadows, I'm not wrong (ask Jared, I'm never wrong

). In the world of 5.9 climbers, ticks marks have no use - therefore, no need to fathom anything. Now in the world of 5.12.... I agree it might be different.

p.s. I apologize if it seemed as though I was overstepping my bounds and uttering "pigsteak rulings" left and right. It's just that I never took "pigsteak" to mean the person. I thought "pigsteak ruling" always meant "ridiculously unreasonable, incongruous, absurd, and laughable ruling". Please forgive me. My bad.

Post by **Paul3eb** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 7:10 pm

Meadows wrote: They can't fathom the use of tick marks.

why not? i'm sure people pulling on 14s don't need to tick 11s and 12s. it's relative to strength.. regardless, they're not needed.

and rock wars is a great example of trad climber impact as is roadside attraction that jb touched on in another post.

Post by **Alan Evil** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 7:36 pm

Trad climbers have less impact also because they climb a route and then go drink beer instead of climbing it over and over again in search of perfection.

BTW, isn't Welcome to Ole Kentuck a trad route? Is it only as hard a 5.9 sport route? If so I'm gonna go jump on it right now!

And I think Meadows has accidentally reinforced my point about tickmarking a short 5.9 route.

And I still say if you're going to tickmark something, brush it off before you move on. Is that so hard?

Post by **rhunt** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 7:50 pm

Alan Evil wrote:And I still say if you're going to tickmark something, brush it off before you move on. Is that so hard?

It is if you consider chalked holds and tick marks the same thing. I do.

Post by **Alan Evil** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 7:55 pm

So... you mean you don't brush holds either?

Post by **Paul3eb** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 8:05 pm

rhunt wrote:It is if you consider chalked holds and tick marks the same thing. I do.

alright, to clarify..

tick mark: a marking of chalk that is used to distinguish a hold or the best part of a hold; usually a line or distinctive dot.

chalked holds (or chalk on holds): random use of chalk on holds that is not intended to demarcate one used hold from another.

while they may function the same for you, they differ visually and that's the topic of discussion.

and besides, isn't doing something better than nothing?

Post by **Stewy911** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 8:11 pm

this subject along with mucho others is just funny to read. funny funny funny

Post by **Meadows** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 8:15 pm

Paul, that's your opinion and maybe you don't need tickmarks. Good for you. BTW, you used the one I placed on Mercy (it was just a dab of chalk rather than a mark, but you used it).

Hey Alan, the next time you're working a route and fail to send it that day OR send it while screaming in pain from the pump, I'll be happy to belay you at the end of the day so you can get back on the route and clean it up. I'm sure you'll have the energy

Post by **Paul3eb** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 8:21 pm

Meadows wrote:BTW, you used the one I placed on Mercy (it was just a dab of chalk rather than a mark, but you used it).

i'd love to know where because i didn't do anything different from what i've done in the past (the very top excluded cause i haven't been on it since the anchors have been moved)

Post by **pigsteak** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 8:23 pm

meadows, thanks for getting my back.

rhunt and squeeze...meadows is correct in admonishing you for trying to steal the thunder of the utterly insane rulings of pigsteak-dom. shame on you two.

squeeze....incongruous, absurd and laughable? I'm hurt, but all rulings still stand.

Paul and Alan, please consult the Piglet Playbook for verification if your opinions are valid and worthy of consideration in this discussion.

(Note to self: this is another example of how we climbers like to generate self importance and passion over something so divisive as magnesium carbonate...who would have known...)