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[dustonian]

Silly people and their strong opinions... both sides. Seriously, if you weren't directly involved in the planning and execution of this catastrophe, you're just whistling out of your ass. The way some folks pretend like they know with such certainty that the official story is true or untrue... hilarious.

[climb2core]

Seriously, if you weren't directly involved in the planning and execution of this catastrophe, you're just whistling out of your ass.

Umm, no. So are you saying the experts that analyzed this crash are just full of shit because they didn't plan it? Besides that, it doesn't take a fucking rocket surgeon to see that two airplanes were flown into buildings at high speed causing the the collapse of the structure. Furthermore, it is a witch hunt for conspiracy theorists. Experts have analyzed the collapse and produced sound evidence that explains the collapse of the building.

[dustonian]

What is that, "Clementine"?

[pigsteak]

yeah dustin, when you become a doctor, are you going to ignore xrays of prior injuries if you didnt originally treat them? i mean, how can you be sure that was/is a broken arm if you didn't break it, or at least cast it?

[dustonian]

Simple--I'm going to look at the radiology and direct physical exam evidence from the patient myself, something I don't have the luxury of in the case of 9/11. All of the evidence has been filtered through the federal 9/11 commission, and is second-hand at best. That said, my personal opinion is that the jets did take down the buildings, but then, I am not a structural engineer so don't care to pontificate beyond that. The real question in my mind is, who knew about the plans of these terror cells, and for how long? A structural engineer is worthless in that question, and it will probably never be answered. We face countless terror threats daily, it would be pretty easy for one to sort of conveniently slip through the cracks if it provided justification for a certain segment of our economy to rake in hundreds of billions of our tax dollars as a result. But then, just my opinion. Get all riled up and belligerent now if you want.

[LK Day]

Dustonian, that is just plain stupid. Of course nobody knows every single "truth" about the destruction of the trade centers. Did even Bin Laden know every last operational detail of the plan? I doubt it. And did he know about and approve of the fact that his "holy warriors" spent their last night in american strip joints? He may have, he was quite the party animal at one time himself. Do we know exactly how many gallons of jet fuel fueled the trade center fires, or exactly how many pieces of paper stayed in the building to add to the fuel rather than blow away on the wind? Do we know if the buildings were 100% built to code? If not, does that mean the ironworkers, electricians, drywall hangers and plumbers were complicit? Do we know exactly what the hijacker said as he slit the throat of a flight attendant in order to draw the captain of the plane from the locked cabin? Of course not. But that changes nothing about the one essential truth -that we were attacked on 9/11 by a coordinated team of "holy warriors", that they and only they (including those who supported and funded them) are the ones responsible. There are literally many tons of evidence pointing to what really did happen on that day, including the eye witness accounts of thousands of people, millions if you count television viewers, and not one fucking scrap of of evidence that holds up to any kind of scrutiny that supports any other explanation, not one fucking scrap. It is simply mindfuckingly stupid to suggest that the majority of Americans don't know what happened on 9/11.

[dustonian]

Well, that's your belligerent opinion... cool. It fulfills your need to kowtow to the status quo. I myself don't trust the military industrial complex in this country, and probably never will--I am far from alone in this sentiment, in fact worldwide it is the safe consensus. Whether or not there were elements of the military which were aware of the plans on 9/11 or facilitated it is pure conjecture. Your decision to believe they were independently acting "holy warriors," also conjecture. I don't care for conjecture. But your aggressive tone and hostile language speaks volumes to the insecurity of your opinions. BTW I lived in lower Manhattan at the time of the attacks and lost a friend in the tragedy. A safe majority of New Yorkers also doubt the commission's official story. But you folks in Montana can continue blindly backing it up, fine... been over it for years.

[LK Day]

Simple-- We face countless terror threats daily, it would be pretty easy for one to sort of conveniently slip through the cracks if it provided justification for a certain segment of our economy to rake in hundreds of billions of our tax dollars as a result. But then, just my opinion. Get all riled up and belligerent now if you want.

I think dustonian reveals one "truth" about a significant element of those who refuse to accept "the offical account" of what happened on 9/11. That is the reflexive tendency to blame those who "should have stopped this from happening". Great, conspiracy theories have been concocted about every single tragedy that has befallen mankind since the beginning of time. I recently saw an estimate that as many as 50% of Americans may have believed that Roosevelt "let Pearl Harbor happen" in order to draw us into war against the Japanese. If we did just the tiniest bit of research I bet we would find that the assassination of Lincoln was blamed on someone other than John Wilkes Boothe and his co-conspirators.

The theory that some powerful group of Americans or Jews or some other insiders allowed 9/11 to happen, in order to enrich themselves, simply doesn't pass the smell test. There is simply no way possible that this supposed group could have known about Bin Laden's plan without many, many others knowing about it as well. The idea that none of those that "knew" would have taken action to stop it is simply stupid. There is one FBI agent who suspected something was up, but his warnings failed to penetrate the bureaucratic fog. Somehow I haven't heard that it was the FBI, and only the FBI that was responsible. They clearly dropped the ball, after all.

[dustonian]

Maybe, maybe not. Regardless, the damage is done. The deaths of a couple thousand in NYC and the illusion of WMDs were used to justify the deaths of tens of thousands or more in two disastrous foreign wars, line the pockets of the wealthy, and divert a huge percentage of an already hollow economy back to military spending. At this point it really doesn't matter who knew or didn't know or how it happened--many died and continue to die, the world has seen another fine example of our blundering, bloodthirsty foreign policy at work, and history will remember it as such.

[LK Day]

As for my aggressive tone. It is about my revulsion at the way the truthers blame the victims of 9/11. The lies they promote are very similar to what motivated McVeigh to blow up the federal building in Oklahoma. I have no problem whatsoever with anyone who wants to know every last knowable detail about 9/11, but the truthers do not seek the truth. They aggressively push an alternative and fantastic explanation that willfully ignores the truth, and is in fact a dangerous lie.