Does a "TRAD RULES" mentality = weakness?

[charlie]

rhunt, don't pretend you know.

People from like around here, that pay KY taxes, kinda have guidelines for when we call it the Red, or the Gorge.

When using it in a positive context it's one thing, like when my doctor this week that likes to take his kids hiking there called it the Gorge.

When using it in questionable or somewhat less than positive context, like me describing the chuff box filled with people from not necessarily around here who typecast and show no respect for others or simpler times when it maybe used to be more a fun place to play and less a sport crag we call it the Red.

So, that's the gig. I guess I let the cat out of the bag for all the carpetbaggers.

[bazoqop]

Hey!!! they weren't fat or old. Those pinnacles look sweeeet.

Well.. maybe not fat, but one of 'em is old. Bernd Arnold ( my boyhood idol ) is in his sixties..

[bjdm151]

how many sport climbers does it take to cahnge a light bulb??

2,341. 1 to do it and 2,336 to tell them they did it wrong, cheated, used a bulb that was "off", and a few to yell "SICK BRAH!!"

Its amazes me that the two popular threads on here are Gumby bashing and Trad is dead. I realize that the majority don't agree with the authors take on trad but it seems the vocal minority are your typical assholes who can't get over themselves. Do you guys have to climb harder because your hauling your fat ass egos up with you.

Who cares if you call it The Red or The Gorge or what gear you place just go climb it.

[anticlmber]

huh??????????????????????

[tbwilsonky]

huh??????????????????????

as many question marks as ego fat "pounds". you people make me sick.

sick, i say.

[Danny]

misplaced quote but the guy is right on. I honestly do not understand the venom against people that happen to climb routes that require gear and may not have the ability nor the interest to climb 5.12 and harder sport routes. I think sport versus trad has more to do with striving in an obsessed way to climb a route that is more difficult vs climbing because you love it for some strange reason. It doesn't matter if you use cams or quick draws, the distinction seems to have more to do with your motivation than what is hanging on your harness. There are plenty of people that approach cracks and cams the same way a sport climber approaches sending a route --- they are crack climbing sport climbers. I think both approaches are OK, but it seems like the vast majority of climbers are in the sport climbing camp. So I don't see what the point is of bashing a pretty small minority of climbers that may seem pretty lame, but really are not threatening in any way as far as I can understand. But obviously I don't understand as I mentioned at the beginning.

As far as cracks and cams go, I think climbing cracks and placing cams is pretty awesome. It isn't easy when the grade is near your limit and it can be pretty scary.

[bjdm151]

Yea I think I meant to quote the other person.

Thank you Danny.

[Meadows]

misplaced quote but the guy is right on. I honestly do not understand the venom against people that happen to climb routes that require gear and may not have the ability nor the interest to climb 5.12 and harder sport routes.

It's more of the venom spewed by the 5.6 to barely 5.9 trad climbers who talk about how pure their climbing is, and to them, hard sport climbers are egotistical number chasers. It's self-coddling of their own egos.

[krampus]

it just aint right, dem minority bein different an all......I don't like it

[anticlmber]

huh??????????????????????

as many question marks as ego fat "pounds". you people make me sick.

sick, i say.

huh????

danny and meadows are both right. i think that the folks meadows is talking about have that as a defense because they have been persecutes before.
it's all for fun people just do what you do and F the rest of the naysayers.