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gotta agree with fucking muggle... right now i am reading a book about politics and the self-interest theory (ha ha, by feldstein if anyone is interested....), and i have to say i agree it's pretty accurate to say that everything is done for self-motivated gains. the civil war was not about upholding principles in the south... it was about cost-effectiveness and maintaining cash crops.

furthermore (and forgive me, i am just catching up with this thread), no one gets away with proudly bearing swastika flags and declaring "German pride." bottom line, i think the confederate flag is a symbol of bigotry, and i find it hard to believe there's not a better way to display pride for southern heritage.

tomdarch wrote:

If slavery was so unimportant, then why, when the Confederacy was 'editing' their version of the Constitution, did they have to repeatedly insert language to support it. Why did they intensify slavery in the 'DNA' of their would-be nation? Also, just because slavery was economically harmful to poor whites, it seems that they still fought to defend it.

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Damn. We agree on something. And you are spot on about the Constitution getting rewritten.

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To say the civil war had nothing to do with slavery is about the same as saying the crisis in the middle east has nothing to do with oil. There are other factors of course but thanks to all of your extensive historical knowledge I feel defeated and must say "ok, the CW was mainly about slavory". In that case then, those good confederate flag toting fellas in their trucks really are superpatriot, bigot, rednecks who want to bring back slavery, assuming they are trying to support the confederacy. Well, my argument was much milder but thanks for opening my eyes to the extent of my origional argument.

anticlmber wrote:if it had not been for slavery do you think that the united states would be as diverse as it is today???

long live southern heritage, god bless the U.S, don't mess with texas, and god save the queen.

Yes, this country would be diverse without slavery. We have more than African descent here - nationalities that weren't slaves. Long live the diverse heritages.

anticlmber wrote:all the people that complain of it need to just move on. none of us owned any, none of them were any and if people's forefathers weren't involved in some way with it.... i don't think we'd all be here. the past is the past and living in it keeps us as a whole from moving on.

I'm sorry but this is such bullshit. Most blacks in this country are no more than four generations removed from slavery meaning that those relatives had less than nothing. Since the Civil War, blacks have been blocked by Unconstitutional laws from owning property, voting, or any kind of equal rights. All blacks over the age of 40 were subject to racially discriminatory laws in their lifetimes and those laws were enacted by white, racist southerners that love the Confederate flag.

YOUR relatives profited from those slaves and as a result you've got many generations of a head start. Your relatives were the ones screaming about the niggers getting into college in the south or going to public school or swimming in the public pool and I'm talking about your momma and daddy, not your great great whatever. If you're proud of those fuckers you're no better than them which is to say you're a racist bag of shit. Pride of Southern heritage is like pride of having an abscessed asshole.

Flying the Confederate flag says you're proud that your people fucked another race in the ass and continue to do so up to today. The Confederate flag is the most potent single symbol of racial oppression and good ole fashioned nigger hating that there is. In my opinion the Confederate flag and the people that sport it are more loathesome than any other group of racist fuckwads and anyone that thinks it's anything other than offensive is either lying to themselves or an absolute idiot.

tomdarch, dude seriously. Generally I'm with most everything you write but you continue to embarrass yourself in this thread.

Cheney's from Wyoming and Texas is west of the Mississippi. It's more Mexico than the South.

Having just returned from North America visiting my sis in Ontario, I have a newly refreshed perspective on culture and geography........

Welcome to the South, now go the fuck back home.

[quote="Alan Evil All blacks over the age of 40 were subject to racially discriminatory laws in their lifetimes and those laws were enacted by white, racist southerners that love the Confederate flag.

YOUR relatives profited from those slaves and as a result you've got many generations of a head start. Your relatives were the ones screaming about the niggers getting into college in the south or going to public school or swimming in the public pool and I'm talking about your momma and daddy, not your great great whatever. If you're proud of those fuckers you're no better than them which is to say you're a racist bag of shit. Pride of Southern heritage is like pride of having an abscessed asshole.

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first off Alan i'm sure that some of those laws were voted on by friendl northerners as well. it's just easy to stereotype the south.

secondly.... and this is the big one asshole. don't claim my relatives. first off my family is not too far off the boat from germany and other fine european countries, (immigrants who were also mistreated and hated) they were poor, salt of the earth folks, who lived up in Pennsylavania and other "non-racist" states. if there is such a thing. neither one of my parents are racist, as my father dated a black woman before he married my mom.

for not being a racist you are the first one i saw throw the N word. i have pride in the south. not for the bad parts of it. just like I HEART NY shirts. great, you love crime and bums. i see the good in the south and yes i know where the past comes from. that is why i move in a forward direction. not holding on to what was done in the past. now be careful out there or you might catch a southern ass-whoopin.

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Meadows wrote:

anticlmber wrote:if it had not been for slavery do you think that the united states would be as diverse as it is today???

long live southern heritage, god bless the U.S, don't mess with texas, and god save the queen.

Yes, this country would be diverse without slavery. We have more than African descent here - nationalities that weren't slaves. Long live the diverse heritages.

diverse as long as they weren't slaves???? what i was saying was the lack of color if you will. i said we would be a euro-centric country. quote it all.