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There is great value in having a system set up, with well documented steps. It is not wrong to pay someone who is good at what they do, even if you could maybe do it on your own. So, I might be able to install a celing fan, but a pro could do it faster and probably better. He would know the little "tricks" that make things go smoother, which steps to do first, which ones take longer, etc. The info Arno has can be found by reading his sources, but he has distilled all that info, and along with his personal experance, created a course that is pretty cool. That is what pros get paid for. Like computer stuff, you could read the books, and install a network with enough time. I can do it much faster, and much better, because that is what I get paid for.

I have learned much from climbing with others, and through other things I have done, but I have no doubt I could learn much from Arno. I have never taken the class, although, I would if I had the oppertunity.

Wes

i feel very blessed for my climbing partner wes. he is patient, caring, and inspiring. i did not take this class because i felt he was lacking in anyway, i took this class because i had and am still working through some very tough mental obstacles that i felt i needed to take more drastic steps towards overcoming them. and it was wes's unending encouragement for me to take those steps that helped me face my problems to begin with. wes is not insecure with me seeking help outside our climbing relationship, his ego does not tell him he knows everything. in fact he was so proud of me that i had the guts to take the class. kato, i'm curious, if your climbing partner told you he/she was going to take the class would you feel insecure about it?

mia

Wes;
I'm not really talking about ceiling fans, that was just an analogy. I'm really talking about rock climbing. And from what I've read about people on this board who have climbed with you and learned from you, you DO know the little "tricks" to rock climbing, how to make it smoother, etc. I think there are many people here who know rock climbing as well as or even better than their professions. Granted, Arno has systemized what he knows and come up with a program to get it across to others. I think that's great, and if he does well with it, more power to him. I'd love to be in his shoes. My question is not really about Arno, but Gretchen and Mia have unknowingly touched on it. It's not about insecurity, it's more about trust. And putting the effort into a relationship to build up that trust, and wanting to share something from which I get a great deal of enjoyment. It's disappointing to put the effort in and find out your partner would rather go somewhere else.
M.
(added "know")

are you saying that i don't appreciate wes's effort?! i appreciate wes more than you can ever imagine in all aspects of my life. the fact that i took a class to help my climbing doesn't reflect anything on wes or ray or bart or any of our significant others and climbing partners. i needed more help than wes could or should have to give me. wes is my partner and not expected to be my therapist.

mia

I guess I would say different people learn differnet ways. Maybe some people can learn things causally, just by being around others. Others can read a book, and learn. Some people learn better in a structured class. Sometimes a combo of ways works best. The key is to find what works for that person.

I think it is great when people question where or not what I am saying is true and/or going other places to find thier answers.

"Beleive nothing, no matter where you read it, or who says it, even if I say it, unless it makes sense to you and your reason" (poorly quoted from a bad memory)

Budda.


Wes

Mia;
Don't freak out. I'm not about to step in and try to tell you about your relationships or how to run them. In fact, YOU are the one who asked about MY insecurities with my partner. I answered your question. If you are afraid of what might come out when you try to pry the lid off my psyche, don't ask.
M.

i still don't think you answered the question and i don't think it has anything to do with trust. people trust their parents but it doesn't mean they don't need teachers too.

mia

My plan is working perfectly......

Man, what happened to all the love and good vibes

Kato, just because I have found a way to kinda deal with my own fear, doesn't mean I could tech it to someone, or that it would work for them if I could.

Trust doesn't mean blind trust. Trust is all about letting someone find out what works best for them, even if it isn't what works for you. Even if you don't believe in what works for them.

Wes