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Toad wrote:Beloved only to those that knew the person. If you didn't know them, then they are still an idiot. Even if you knew them well,
you may still think them an idiot while calling them beloved.

Regardless, its hypocritical.

Toad wrote:If a hold up high broke and he couldn't recover, who's choice would it
become to bring about litigation? Greg's?

I don't see people wearing helmets at the lode... who's choice is it to bring about litigation if a chunk of rock were to take out someones skull?

Point is... we all make our unsafe decisions. Greg soloing BOHICA may have been less dangerous than some others leading Stain.

Hypocritical.

Toad wrote:But if you die on the road it doesn't carry the potential of getting a cornerstone crag on private land closed down.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't some of those roads also run through private land? As well as the trails you so haphazardly hike on? We should all be more careful. Helmets. Ankle supporting hiking boots. Snake bite antivenom. Fuck, why not have a protective bubble around you at all times?

pigsteak wrote:OW,

I am assuming the only person that made it an "issue" is Greg by publicizing his feat in the first place. If he had went out there all alone, quietly did his solo, and then went back and broke bread at Miguel's, maybe the world would be a bit nicer today. By letting folks in our exploits, roped or otherwise, we are all fulfilling a narcissitic tendency to be king for a day. Cut the crap of "I did it for me"..if that were so, no one would ever know.

I'm not so sure that Greg started this thread, and based upon past evidence, this forum, and its predecessors, are the places viewed as "the community". THIS is where it's being made public.

Good points 512OW. But, I think it all comes down to perception. How
does the landowner perceive the difference between a roped climber
getting hurt and a soloist dropping to the ground? What are the perceived
degrees of control taken between the two?

I still think it was a pretty cool solo. I wish I could have seen it. I wish he
would have downclimbed it, too.


And, leave my haphazard hiking style out of this.

gregkerzhner wrote:Actually rock climbing in general is way to risky. What if someone climbing on a rope gets hurt, and closes acess to the motherlode. In order to preserve access to the motherlode, all rock climbing is herby prohibited at this crag.

Yeah. That sport climbing is pretty risky stuff. In fact it's so much like
soloing that I think all climbers everywhere should stop using ropes and
gear and just solo everything. Imagine working your next project without
all that pesky safety equipment. Of course, you might only have one go
in you. It shouldn't really matter, 'cuz it's all good.

Preserve access by closing it? Sounds like preserving our freedom by
infringing on civil liberties. Do you work for the government?

Doesn't spraying about your soloing or doing it in view of others take away the nature of the effort itself?

You know what sucks? Should Greg take a plunge from about 50 feet up, it's NOT the choice of the people around to get involved in keeping his bones together, his blood loss low and his morale of surviving high. The why on this was covered in the thread about the guy who died on Everest.

My bet , % wise WAY more people get killed sport climbing than soloing.

Why is there 6 pages of the same arguments over and over ?I admit Im on this board more than most but do you all get this bored sitting in your cubicle or does your does your daily life depend on creating drama ? So many people think they got all the answers to the world. Soloing will not get any place closed. Many more actions from just about everyone will do that for us. Parking, dogs, trash, human waste, do I need to continue ? We can all sit back and condemn or congrat Greg. Its not going to change what was done, let it fucking be. The solo was done quite awhile back, yall didnt get rilled up about then. Greg didnt create the mess, or the "possible" actions from the land owner, if anything we did with the last 6 pages of crap that has accomplished 0 . Greg could have prob done things different, hindsight is 20/20 and I think we can ALL look back on things we have done in climbing and see how they could have been different. This same exchange has been had 100's of times with no resolution and the same damn words everytime.

We all have our own monsters that we have to feed within this climbing game. Climb smart.

what would have been really news worthy is if I had soloed BOHICA. Now that would have been an awesome news story! miraculous even.

I don't think there is a post on this thread that hasn't had some truth or relevant point.

But my favorite, and the way I have to look at it, is 5120W's assessment...


"It's a head shaker. Forget it and move on."

JB wrote:what would have been really news worthy is if I had soloed BOHICA. Now that would have been an awesome news story! miraculous even.

That would've lead our six o'clock news for sure! We're all about the miracle news stories here at Action News 36.

I've learned a few things...

Don't ever rag on somebody that might have done something that could have caused an access issue because they really didn't cause a problem anyway.

Despite all the access problems we have in the area, we shouldn't take steps
to insure that things perceived as overly dangerous are not done.

Sport climbing is more dangerous than soloing. Thus, when I solo at Muir I should be safer than when roped. I should be - the % says so.