Only in Kentucky

[Zspider]

anticlimber wrote:

heritage not hatred.

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Of course. The main corollary of slavery wasn't hatred of blacks. It was the belief that they were inferior. Not the same as hatred.

ZSpiddy

[the lurkist]

tomdarch said
"treasonous Confederates, who so hated America that they tried to steal a big chunk of the country" (sorry, my quote button doesn't work)

spoken like a true revisionist historian- The point of the Civil War was that Southern States were exercising States Rights- i.e. they DID have the right to self determination. After Sherman and Grant got finished with the South Lincoln made sure that states rights were forever hobbled. You think Bush is destroying civil liberties- he can't hold a candle to the changes for strengthening the Federal centralized government and weakening a decentralized government.
Folks who have been taught the the CW was about slavery don't know their history. Slavery was a convenient emotional political tool that Abe Lincoln deftly utilized to whip up Union support.
Back to the matter at hand- the Battle flag of the Confederate is typically wielded by dumbass red necks (I can say this- I am KY born and bred) who don't have a clue as to the history of the Confederacy. They have a-fixed their own meaning now, which is " Fuck all y'all".

[anticlmber]

anticlimber wrote:

heritage not hatred.

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Of course. The main corollary of slavery wasn't hatred of blacks. It was the belief that they were inferior. Not the same as hatred.

Total Fucking Muggle

they aren't??? i was in response to the use of the flag as everyone else is portraying it.

i wish i was
in the land of cotton
when old times
they were not forgotten
look away
look away
look away
dixie land.

[krampus]

well said lurkist

[Zspider]

lurkist wrote:

Folks who have been taught the the CW was about slavery don't know their history.

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My reading of American history is that slavery was a major issue in the Civil War. The problem existed when the ink was still wet on the Constitution, and it intensified all the way up to the Civil War. For ten years before the Civil War the discussion of slavery absolutely raged.

It can be declared that the Civil War was over state rights to secede and not slavery, but I interpret that as a sort of joke, similar to saying that it wasn't the fall that killed the climber, it was the sudden stop at the end. The two are inseparable.

Revisionist history has attempted to downplay the role of slavery in the Civil War. Any rational review of the circumstances reveals this as a bogus stance.

ZSpiddy

[tomdarch]

tomdarch said
"treasonous Confederates, who so hated America that they tried to steal a big chunk of the country" (sorry, my quote button doesn't work)

spoken like a true revisionist historian- The point of the Civil War was that Southern States were exercising States Rights- i.e. they DID have the right to self determination. After Sherman and Grant got finished with the South Lincoln made sure that states rights were forever hobbled. You think Bush is destroying civil liberties- he can't hold a candle to the changes for strengthening the Federal centralized government and weakening a decentralized government.

The Constitutional basis of "states rights" is highly debatable - every term, the Supreme Court has to hear cases dealing with it. But one thing that is consistent about "states rights" is that the folks who love to talk about how great it is, use it only when it benefits them.

Folks who have been taught the the CW was about slavery don't know their history. Slavery was a convenient emotional political tool that Abe Lincoln deftly utilized to whip up Union support.

If slavery was so unimportant, then why, when the Confederacy was 'editing' their version of the Constitution, did they have to repeatedly insert language to support it. Why did they intensify slavery in the 'DNA' of their would-be nation? Also, just because slavery was economically harmful to poor whites, it seems that they still fought to defend it.

Back to the matter at hand- the Battle flag of the Confederate is typically wielded by dumbass red necks (I can say this- I am KY born and bred) who don't have a clue as to the history of the Confederacy. They have a-fixed their own meaning now, which is " Fuck all y'all".

I can't argue with that!

[tomdarch]

Well then maybe you yankee states should start sending your boys and girls off to fight for the country since a majority (but not all) are taken from the Southern States.

Two issues:

1)It isn't as simple as saying "Southern states provide proportionally more members of the military". Here's some data:
http://www.statemaster.com/graph/mil_to ... per-capita
Kentucky provides about 2.8 per 10,000 pop., which is right about average. And when you look at the raw totals per state, only 3 of the top 10 states are southern - CA is #1 and NY is #3. When the coffins are snuck back into the US, where do they go? Look here:
http://www.statemaster.com/graph/mil_ir ... per-capita
The highest per capita war dead in the continental US is that quintessential Yankee state - Vermont.

2)It's a fucktard from the South who chose to invade Iraq. Maybe if the US military was used for a)actually defending the US, our interests and allies and b)peacekeeping and nation building, then maybe more Americans have a vague understanding of history, geography and current events would see participation in the military as a good idea.
http://www.statemaster.com/graph/edu_ba ... percentage

(Sorry if I sound a little harsh - but those first two chunks of statistics really smash the stereotype of South=military)

[gulliver]

My reading of American history is that slavery was a major issue in the Civil War. The problem existed when the ink was still wet on the Constitution, and it intensified all the way up to the Civil War. For ten years before the Civil War the discussion of slavery absolutely raged.

It can be declared that the Civil War was over state rights to secede and not slavery, but I interpret that as a sort of joke, similar to saying that it wasn't the fall that killed the climber, it was the sudden stop at the end. The two are inseparable.

Revisionist history has attempted to downplay the role of slavery in the Civil War. Any rational review of the circumstances reveals this as a bogus stance.

Total Fucking Muggle

Well said.











My god, somebody shoot me ***************

[Wolf]

But it was well said.

[anticlmber]

if it had not been for slavery do you think that the united states would be as diverse as it is today??? we would just be another eurocentric, white bread and cracker casserole. i'm not saying slavery is great. never had one, i'm sure they are a lot of work.

all the people that complain of it need to just move on. none of us owned any, none of them were any and if people's forefathers weren't involved in some way with it.... i don't think we'd all be here. the past is the past and living in it keeps us as a whole from moving on.

long live southern heritage, god bless the U.S, don't mess with texas, and god save the queen.