I'm Freakin' Out!!!
OK, this whole situation raises an interesting question in my mind. How many of you have ever been in a situation that goes something like this:
significant other: "I just bought this ceiling fan, I need instructions on how to install it."
you: "I can show you how to install it, I've done it several times and it's pretty easy."
significant other: "I think I'll call Home Depot and ask them."
you: "Honey, I'm an electrician, I do this for a living, I can show you how to do it."
significant other: "Honey, what's the number for Home Depot?"
you: "You don't need to call them, honey, just leave the fan, I'll install it for you."
significant other: "Hello, Home Depot? Please send a guy out here to install my fan."
OK, does this sound familiar? Insert your own situation, build a webpage, fix a car, do your taxes, climb a rock... It seems like the people that know you best tend to trust you the least, while a complete stranger will take your word as gospel and even pay you for it. Nothing personal on Arno, but did he really tell you anything that one of your good rock climbing friends could not?
significant other: "I just bought this ceiling fan, I need instructions on how to install it."
you: "I can show you how to install it, I've done it several times and it's pretty easy."
significant other: "I think I'll call Home Depot and ask them."
you: "Honey, I'm an electrician, I do this for a living, I can show you how to do it."
significant other: "Honey, what's the number for Home Depot?"
you: "You don't need to call them, honey, just leave the fan, I'll install it for you."
significant other: "Hello, Home Depot? Please send a guy out here to install my fan."
OK, does this sound familiar? Insert your own situation, build a webpage, fix a car, do your taxes, climb a rock... It seems like the people that know you best tend to trust you the least, while a complete stranger will take your word as gospel and even pay you for it. Nothing personal on Arno, but did he really tell you anything that one of your good rock climbing friends could not?
No chalkbag since 1995.
Yes!!!! Arno has been climbing for 20 years and has spent I believe ten of it researching what he calls the warriors way. He has also listened to and helped probably hundreds of climbers of all different levels overcome their obstacles.
My friends have shown me and taught me how to stay safe, encouraged me to push myself, pointed out my strengths and weaknesses, and instilled me with confidence. However, even after climbing for 8 years, when fear moves into my mind, my thoughts and actions are not fully focused on my intention.
Arno gave me a process for choosing my risks and then keeping my attention on the problem at hand. He not only gave me a process, but drilled it into my head by providing multiple opportunities to fully experience it.
It is the whole "what I hear I forget, what I see I remember, what I do I know" deal. It is difficult to apply someone elses advice, especially when facing legitimate fears, without having had a solid experience to test their advice. But just as I couldn't incorporate his advice by just reading the 2 day handout, you may not beable to comprehend the impact such a course could have without experincing it.
My friends have shown me and taught me how to stay safe, encouraged me to push myself, pointed out my strengths and weaknesses, and instilled me with confidence. However, even after climbing for 8 years, when fear moves into my mind, my thoughts and actions are not fully focused on my intention.
Arno gave me a process for choosing my risks and then keeping my attention on the problem at hand. He not only gave me a process, but drilled it into my head by providing multiple opportunities to fully experience it.
It is the whole "what I hear I forget, what I see I remember, what I do I know" deal. It is difficult to apply someone elses advice, especially when facing legitimate fears, without having had a solid experience to test their advice. But just as I couldn't incorporate his advice by just reading the 2 day handout, you may not beable to comprehend the impact such a course could have without experincing it.
Forever the skeptic Kato!
It's like getting a second opinion from another doctor. Even though you have trusted your family MD for 20 plus years, when faced with a difficult possibly life altering medical condition, most people seek a second opinion from an "expert" in their field. Hence, Arno may not be teaching anything "new" in the way of " this is a rope, this is a draw..." He is teaching extremely useful and EMPOWERING mental techniques that allows a climber to push thru their self imposed barriers. I am sure even you have a few that Arno could help you iron out!
I really wanted to participate this weekend and will DEFINITELY take his course this year! Just a matter of working outthe damn schedule! I hate to miss the kids events. BUt it is time to sacrifice for my own gain for a change!
It's like getting a second opinion from another doctor. Even though you have trusted your family MD for 20 plus years, when faced with a difficult possibly life altering medical condition, most people seek a second opinion from an "expert" in their field. Hence, Arno may not be teaching anything "new" in the way of " this is a rope, this is a draw..." He is teaching extremely useful and EMPOWERING mental techniques that allows a climber to push thru their self imposed barriers. I am sure even you have a few that Arno could help you iron out!
I really wanted to participate this weekend and will DEFINITELY take his course this year! Just a matter of working outthe damn schedule! I hate to miss the kids events. BUt it is time to sacrifice for my own gain for a change!
Just genuinely disengenuous.
I think a better example would be to look at a woman who was once happily married.
Then one awful day her love and life partner died. After that, she dated several men who were jealous, controlling, manipulative, dishonest… From them she learned how to love in an unhealthy way. Now look at that same woman years later. Where at one time she knew how to love unconditionally and uninhibited, now she doesn’t know how to love freely. Sure, her friends can tell her how to open up her heart and love freely, but she really won’t be able to do so until she can find the tools inside her to use to help her love freely once again. Counselors are paid big money to do this because they give people like her these tools. These tools are about asking yourself questions about your intentions, growing from both good and bad experiences, and learning about where you’re acting unhealthy and stopping those patterns.
Arno taught us how to break old patterns and to both enjoy and learn from our fear. We did this through climbing exercises, long discussions, written exercises, and by him being right there next to us (on a separate rope) on our goal routes, helping our minds walk through proper thought processes.
This ain’t installing a fan, my friend. Arno taught us concepts he’s been studying for over ten years and has spent countless hours attempting to verbalize…and he has succeeded in doing so.
Then one awful day her love and life partner died. After that, she dated several men who were jealous, controlling, manipulative, dishonest… From them she learned how to love in an unhealthy way. Now look at that same woman years later. Where at one time she knew how to love unconditionally and uninhibited, now she doesn’t know how to love freely. Sure, her friends can tell her how to open up her heart and love freely, but she really won’t be able to do so until she can find the tools inside her to use to help her love freely once again. Counselors are paid big money to do this because they give people like her these tools. These tools are about asking yourself questions about your intentions, growing from both good and bad experiences, and learning about where you’re acting unhealthy and stopping those patterns.
Arno taught us how to break old patterns and to both enjoy and learn from our fear. We did this through climbing exercises, long discussions, written exercises, and by him being right there next to us (on a separate rope) on our goal routes, helping our minds walk through proper thought processes.
This ain’t installing a fan, my friend. Arno taught us concepts he’s been studying for over ten years and has spent countless hours attempting to verbalize…and he has succeeded in doing so.
OK, Artsay, I'll work with your example. You are implying that you have climbed with several partners who taught you to climb in an unhealthy way. What is analogous to "jealous, controlling, manipulative, dishonest"? Maybe timid, fearful, disillusioned... but now you say you don't climb unconditionally and uninhibited. Sure counselors are paid big money to give people tools to overcome this, but if you want to compare climbing to psychiatry, I say SCIN is the Freud of climbing! What are you doing going to some Lucy Van Pelt??
No chalkbag since 1995.
Gretchen:
You better be careful, I have climbed with you and know where you come from! And let me say, for all of BBer's tough guy show, he is one of the most patient and instructive guys I have climbed with. I've seen the huge improvements you've made, and I'm guessing he has been a bigger influence than you may give him credit for. This is my point: don't discount what you already got!
M.
You better be careful, I have climbed with you and know where you come from! And let me say, for all of BBer's tough guy show, he is one of the most patient and instructive guys I have climbed with. I've seen the huge improvements you've made, and I'm guessing he has been a bigger influence than you may give him credit for. This is my point: don't discount what you already got!
M.
No chalkbag since 1995.
BB is extremly patient with me, I have no complaints there but when I start feeling insecure and uneasy BB does not have the tools to help me thru the scenarios. We are too close to one another and I think his fear of upsetting me has impacted our teacher/student relationship. Nothing wrong with going with outside assistance.
Just genuinely disengenuous.