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Re: Ondra Patrol

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:33 pm
by climb2core
LOL, yes still a flash, because he had beta for much of the line that is Southern Smoke Direct.

Quit playin, you know this shit.

Re: Ondra Patrol

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:38 pm
by MYDADPULLEDOUT
It don't matter brah. Ondra da best!

Re: Ondra Patrol

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:04 pm
by Willy
Downgrades suggested for Omaha, Fifty words for Pump and Southern direct. Dang

Re: Ondra Patrol

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:18 pm
by climb2core
i bet Omaha and Fifty will probably stay at the grade. SSD has only seen 2 ascents, and Adam T openly admits he was unsure on the grade.

Re: Ondra Patrol

Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 3:08 am
by mcrib
If only Ondra would confirm the grade of Bare Metal Teen for all of us.

Re: Ondra Patrol

Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:22 am
by tbwilsonky
mcrib wrote:If only Ondra would confirm the grade of Bare Metal Teen for all of us.
fuck. yes.

Ondra is so consistently subjective that he is practically objective.

Re: Ondra Patrol

Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 1:00 pm
by climb2core
Subjectively being consistent: Being honest with yourself about the grade and not grading based on concerns of what others will think. Thanks TW.

Re: Ondra Patrol

Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 1:51 pm
by tbwilsonky
i take issue with the idea of using a constantly changing version of you as a constant in evaluating different climbs (which themselves are absurdly complex). asking for consistency under these conditions is impossible. it would be akin to asking people to remove themselves from the social element when assigning a grade. because, you know, it's easy to just side-step being human.

i understand the urge to quantify things. to submit your practice to a rigorous systemization. i do. it's tough to be out there doing stuff without being able to engineer it to death.

but climbing ain't the thing, man.

Re: Ondra Patrol

Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 1:57 pm
by climb2core
tbwilsonky wrote:i take issue with the idea of using a constantly changing version of you as a constant in evaluating different climbs (which themselves are absurdly complex). asking for consistency under these conditions is impossible. it would be akin to asking people to remove themselves from the social element when assigning a grade. because, you know, it's easy to just side-step being human.

i understand the urge to quantify things. to submit your practice to a rigorous systemization. i do. it's tough to be out there doing stuff without being able to engineer it to death.

but climbing ain't the thing, man.
It's all we got, so make the best of it.

Re: Ondra Patrol

Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 1:59 pm
by tbwilsonky
climb2core wrote:
tbwilsonky wrote:i take issue with the idea of using a constantly changing version of you as a constant in evaluating different climbs (which themselves are absurdly complex). asking for consistency under these conditions is impossible. it would be akin to asking people to remove themselves from the social element when assigning a grade. because, you know, it's easy to just side-step being human.

i understand the urge to quantify things. to submit your practice to a rigorous systemization. i do. it's tough to be out there doing stuff without being able to engineer it to death.

but climbing ain't the thing, man.
It's all we got, so make the best of it.
13b :)