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Re: Project Draws: How Long is Too Long?
Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 10:51 pm
by toad857
whatever happened to "When in Rome, do as the Romans do"?
Re: Project Draws: How Long is Too Long?
Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 10:52 pm
by dustonian
captain static wrote:Clevis Hitch wrote:Lets make this the rule, in fact it actually is the rule and is understood to be the rule any where other than here. If you leave your shit, you takes your chances.
Exactly what I was saying with my analogy.
Ha ha, does this include the bolts, hangers, and chain/rings at the anchor too, boys? How about the anchor on trad routes? Such a distinction is arbitrary by nature.
Re: Project Draws: How Long is Too Long?
Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:03 am
by Clevis Hitch
ya takes yo chances...
Re: Project Draws: How Long is Too Long?
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:51 am
by captain static
Shannon wrote:FYI…Project draws under the law are not necessarily abandoned property. They are unattended property. It is the intent of the owner that generally controls. The FS may consider project draws that way but they do so for convenience and because they give notice, as a land owner/manager can, and should. But when there is no clear guidance on the subject, it is the intent of the owner of the property whether it was meant to be unattended or abandoned, and therefore subject for seizure.Shannon Stuart-Smith
I am no lawyer but from from searching the subject, unattended property on public land is generally considered to have been abandoned after 24 to 48 hours. As far as camping gear, if this is left unattended for more than 72 hours, then the Forest Service considers it to have been abandoned, backing up my analogy. I found this definition which may be informative -
“Abandoned property” is that to which an owner has relinquished all rights, title, claim and possession, with no intention of reclaiming it or resuming ownership or possession.
Re: Project Draws: How Long is Too Long?
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:48 am
by Clevis Hitch
whoa!! cap'n you beat me to the punch!
Just to be clear: All gear left on property other than your own enters the public domain and should be regarded as such. I think "policy" should be...you are responsible for your own safety and property. You are responsible for your own self. wipe your own ass.