Garmin wrote:I also think that it wouldn't have happened if qwerty2 had known how many people would get upset who never have and never will get on the route. It's not a "high traffic" route and there are really only a few people who it directly affects
First off, Adam claims he was trying to "make a statement". Why "make a statement" and expect nobody to care or notice? Thats ridiculous.
Second, the people it directly affects are the ones who put their time and money into preserving the PMRP, so you're talking about far more than "a few".
The way you guys justify this is hysterical.
Get your stories straight before logging on.
"Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken."
-Tyler Durden
pigsteak wrote: so is the coalition going to take a stand on this issue? seems to me that this act is vandalism. no different than breaking into a car in the parking lot.
You asked the exact same question a year ago and it was effectively answered by Charlie - our mission is to preserve, not police or enforce ethics.
Garmin wrote:Does this really even threaten access like some people have been saying, aren't the access issues with the oil company. I really doubt that they care whether bolts are smashed, or if they're there or not...they just want thier oil. It's not like there are environmentalist threating access b/c they want to protect wolf SCIN repellent or whatever...
The access issue is with the bank – we are in process of owning the land. It’s not ours, but we have people very devoted to making certain that happens. Let’s not kill that devotion with compulsive words and actions that cripple the community morale. These aren’t just the people behind putting on Rocktoberfest – these are the people who spend their time bolting and making crags accessible. If you can contribute nothing more than your respect for these people and the hours of work, then that’s something.
Listen to Steph and Hugh, they got it right. As an organization, we do not enforce ethical concerns. In my experience that's for the clueless youth to take stands on and make statements.
Also listen to OW. What irks me personally, not as a RRGCC BOD member but as a guy that's been around and put more than a minute into the Gorge, is the open disregard for the people that have loved and will continue to love this place. The line is immaterial, the disrespect for the locale is the issue here.
I don't go to other areas and talk shit about the way they do things there and/or vandalize the venue. Even if I thought I had earned a place at the table I'd begin with a conversation with Mike and Hugh. That's the bare minimum for developing an opinion on the line. Keep that in mind next time you feel like you need to make a "statement."
Tenure and credibility in the Gorge, sorry but you just ain't got it. This stupidity probably didn't do much to help you earn it.
Community service in the form of fixing what you broke, improving the gorge in the form of new lines, better trails, and respectful actions for the ones that were there before you will be steps in the right direction.
Hope that helps. Again, I'm Charlie. Feel free to find me any time.
the only thing that makes me really bitter about this whole thing is how entitled these "pro's" feel. Joe is rated #1 in the country on 8a. What a joke. Chris sharma sent Lucifer 2nd go. The guy re-velcroed his shoe in the middle of the hardest route at the gorge. Dave Draham did 50 words in a couple of days, Mike Doyle did that shit like second go. Joe? He sends a week working a 14a he can't do and then throws a fit when "his project" is chopped. All I am saying is, if the guy wants to be an all knowing pro climber that owns the place, lets see some results. Lets see onsights of Transworld and Thanatopisis, redpoints of Gold Coast and Chocolate factory projects, not projecting of Omaha Beach. Im not imperessed. I bet even andrew's anorexic ass can get up omaha beach!
To sum it all up, there is more hard rock climbs than 50 words for pump, and unless Joe starts dispatching them quickly, then he has no buisness climbing on 50 words, let alone calling it "his project."
exactly. and i am a full time college student at duke..
I guess there are three ways to be a "famous rockstar" these days.
1. Climb rocks and not worry about it. Then if you are strong enough, people will talk and you will be renowned.
2. Talk about how well you climb rocks non stop, and if you talk enough, you will be well known.
Look at people that are famous today.
Sharma, Alex Honnold, Dave Graham. All these guys have added done really badass things to add to the world of rock climbing. Sharma puts up the first 5.15, Alex soloes 20 pitch routes and Dave does just about every hard route everywhere. These guys take the first approach. Does Sharma keep a fucking pro-blog? No... he climbs and people respect him for that.
Its a shame when people who so clearly take the second way to the top attempt to equate themselves with the true badasses of rock climbing today.
I guess mostly I am just trying to avoid studying for a vector calculus test that is so clearly going to kick my ass...
Well I guess according to GK's world view I should stop climbing because I rarely onsight or get my projects second go. This makes me unworthy and I have no "entitlement" to climb. Heck, even Mr. Hip-Hop has insinuated that I am not a "real climber" anymore because I mostly haul my sorry ass up plywood walls. I should just give it all up and become a couch potato
"Be responsible for your actions and sensitive to the concerns of other visitors and land managers. ... Your reward is the opportunity to climb in one of the most beautiful areas in this part of the country." John H. Bronaugh
