Belay Loop Testing

Post by **pigsteak** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:09 pm

and we have come full circle.....tape on the tie in points is an excellent idea....you can thank me later.

Pru · Post by **Pru** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:25 pm

rhunt wrote:Pigsteak, yeah he does but I haven't seen that in a while. Pru, the whole rub agrument doesn't make much sense to me. I can't see it rubbing anymore more than when you tie into the regular spot. I think this topic has already been covered before... My tie in spots wear out quickly from rubbing. What I am trying to figure out is if that is from when I pull the rope out after untying the knot or just normal wear from falls and such.

Oh and the only time I use the belay loop is to go in direct with a draw at a bolt when I am resting and working routes so Pigsteak's hemorrhoids don't flare up...LOL Don't believe him when he says it to let the rope relax.

haha! CLASSIC.

Maybe the whole rubbing thing is bogus, but tying in through the tie-in points gives me the warm fuzzies.

Post by **pigsteak** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:30 pm

that warm fuzzy between your legs is not the...nevermind.

Pru · Post by **Pru** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:33 pm

Piggy, didn't we already have the trimmer discussion?

Post by **Shamis** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:55 pm

rhunt wrote:Oh and the only time I use the belay loop is to go in direct with a draw at a bolt when I am resting and working routes so Pigsteak's hemorrhoids don't flare up...LOL Don't believe him when he says it to let the rope relax.

QFT

Post by **tomdarch** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:00 pm

Pru wrote:As to tying into the belay loop, I wouldn't feel comfortable with the nylon-on-nylon rubbing action of a belay loop against my rope. When you go through the tie-in points, the rig doesn't rub as much.

Supposedly some guy in Germany was doing testing on that - his theory was that tying into the 'tie in points' concentrated the wearing of nylon on nylon. He suspected that if you tie into the belay loop (in a different point each time) then the wearing would be spread around the loop, instead of concentrated in the same two spots every time.

I've never heard about results from the testing, but I suspect that it's moot - no amount of evidence would convince people to tie into the belay loop.

Post by **Yasmeen** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:09 pm

rhunt wrote:My tie in spots wear out quickly from rubbing. What I am trying to figure out is if that is from when I pull the rope out after untying the knot or just normal wear from falls and such.

I think pulling the rope through after untying has a lot of effect on the wear on the tie in points. Also, eking the rope out from under the belay loop while hanging and cleaning the anchors creates abrasion - another reason the belay loop sucks! Wow, what a worthless piece of material. Whosever idea that was...

Post by **BigRed** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 1:13 am

has anyone ever read manufacturers estimated life expectency? I mean fibers break down eventually right and become weaker over time? I know it depends on use and wear, but who doesnt think about replacing their rope about every two years? When does the electrical tape end equal the necessity for a new rope?