Adam and Eve hunted dinosaurs!

[edouble]

Love the creationist website link as supporting evidence... more nonsense fundamentalist bible belt ignorance

[Wolf]

I'm open-minded about many things, but being open-minded about all things is to be an idiot. I'm not open-minded about what will happen if I climb a pitch without a rope and fall off of a cliff. I'm not open to the possibility that the world is flat, or the center of the universe, or that the stars are lights set in a "firmament" above us and there are also waters above. That necessarily means that I'm not open to the possibility that the bible is "infallible," at least not in a literal sense.

You ask us if we were around when the world was created? No but we have methods that are used to help figure things out. They're called science and reason. There are processes and data and experiments that tell us the earth is probably very old and that evolution happened. So there are good reasons to believe those things. Were you there when "God use(d) men to write down in an infallible way the way in which Creation took place?" No? So why do you believe that to be true? Is it because the bible says so? There's a flaw in that logic. Why do you believe that the bible is literally true when so much evidence indicates otherwise? Does God want to trick intelligent people into hell?

[Pru]

What I would ask and challenge you all to do is to read Genesis 1 - 11 and Romans 1 - 11. I know that if the majority of professing Christians who attend church and are very religious, have not read the Bible all the way through from Genesis to Revelation, than I can surely say that many people who do not attend church and are not religious have not read the Bible themselves either. I would encourage everyone to at least read it with an open mind to consider a different view.

Uh, first let me say that I have read the Bible all the way through, several times. And no, I don't go to church. Lot's of theologists don't.

Have you ever not just read but studied the Bible? It's not a factual historical document. Compare Matthew, Mark, Luke and John for starters. Same story, each dramatically different. (Before you argue that point in knee-jerk reaction, read them again...) There are very good reasons why the same story is different not only in detail but also in purpose. Study the history and significance of story telling during those times. Oh, and by the way, those chapters weren't actually written by Christ's disciples. They were written hundreds of years after Christ's time after being carried around as oral stories. If you think men during those times were immune to exaggeration (or outright fabrication) or better at keeping details straight than we are, think again.

Many devout Christians who have studied the Bible realize that it is a book written by men used as a vehicle for their God's word, not a chronologically or historically accurate history to be taken verbatim. That in no way should threaten your faith (unless it's shaky to begin with). You really should use what I'm sure you consider your God-given brain to think about what you are reading, and what you are saying. Adhering to Creationism when there is physical proof to the contrary makes you look, well, stupid. Evolution doesn't rule out the possibility of God for those who believe, so long as you look at the Bible for what it is.

[rhunt]

ElectricDisciple, I've read much of the Bible, certainly Genesis and Romans. Open your mind, get outside of your dogma, do just a small amount of critical bible study and you will see the bible is the word of man NOT the word of God.

[pigsteak]

now, now rhunt....that statement is also a bit of a stretch. perhaps you meant to say , not the "literal" words of God?

[krampus]

Have you ever ....

Wow, and all this time I thought Pru was just some hot sex trophy for DMW and Yas

On another note, I would take you up on your offer sometime Electric, but know that my purpose in going there would be for a good laugh so please don't take offense. I mean, sure, we were not there when the earth was "created" but I am 99.9% positive that the red was was created in longer than 6000 years, and that if we can see present day animals adapt to their environment, then we are watching evolution in action. How it all began, I don't know...there is always room for a higher power of sorts. As we get deeper and deeper in science, reality becomes unimaginably obscure so we can not ever disprove god. In some ways there has to be some underlying force (last statement was pure opinion). But honestly, that list of scientists who believe in creation, I just want to hear how they work it into their world view, especially the geologists and physicists. The other scientists don't necessarily need more than 6000 years of earth for there field to exist, but geology needs time for grand canyons to be cut, and physics needs time for supernova's to be viewed.

[ElectricDisciple]

Rhunt:

what does the Bible say about itself?

[Pru]

Have you ever ....

Wow, and all this time I thought Pru was just some hot sex trophy for DMW and Yas

You were right. Like you, I am really just a worthless, ugly hooker.

[krampus]

I doubt you are worthless and ugly. And what you do at night is none of my busyness, unless your in my spot on the corner.

[Pru]

I doubt you are worthless and ugly. And what you do at night is none of my busyness, unless your in my spot on the corner.

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