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tripper wrote:Has all the tree huggers stepped outside and felt the effect of global warming? Go on Step Outside. See I told you. Don't forget to wear your shorts today. I do not want to hear one word about it being too cold today.

step outside today and feel the near record highs.

not at all saying that today is an example of global warming at work.. just making the point of how simplistic that sort of argument is.

Here is a very good page for information concerning global warming-
http://illconsidered.blogspot.com/

Every argument from either side that I have ever heard is considered. It's a long page and it might not get interesting to you until the middle of it, so scroll down and check out it's format.

Ask yourself why this subject has become so venomous. The stakes are very high if you hold to the prevailing, peer reviewed, consensus (yes, even that), side. The other side sees entanglement in world treaties, industrial burdens, loss of stature among nations, and economic disaster. IMO, if you cut through the rhetoric you're left with science, which is just our attempt at understanding and dealing with an event in the best possible way. Money doesn't figure into that yet. Yet so much of the "science" coming from one side is from a disinformation campaign financed by fossil fuel giants and people who rail against anything regarding environmental concerns by habit. Science will correct itself if required cause that is what it does. The consensus is there now that it is real and we are playing a part. The "Steve Project" as regards ID fits this dynamic pretty well. We'll work together using our heads or we'll just have to struggle through the fighting back and forth. It's almost comical thinking about whether the sun goes around the earth or if it was the other way around, but it was just as divisive. Then it was the Church and now it seems to be Money. People still go to church, and anything we do now can still be denied by science later once the better argument is brought to the table. That's how it works. Denying our best thinking though is goofy.


You would think we would have all the motivation we need to redirect our energy policy since the course we are on entangles us in terrible places where people kill us and we have to kill them, or they hold us hostage financially.

In reality, we are all going to die anyway. Alot sooner than the perceived global warming will take us out. Mother Nature will take care of itself. If the planet warms up and kills most of the human beings and anything else, it will bounce back into a loving warming mother. Then what ever species comes after us will have great food for thought in digging up our bones and analyzing them, putting them into museums, etc. I am more sick of the alarmist trying to predict the future and getting media attention. Did you hear the weather analyst and alarmist predicting the worst hurricane season ever. Did it happen. No. Is there enough science to predict that? No. Then how is there enough science in just a little over a hundred years to predict global warming. The bottom line is just a bunch of bullshit to get people all riled up. I would rather die warm than cold.

I am even more sick that Sharrod Brown beat out Mike Dewine.

I am going to go outside and start my truck and just let it burn up gas in the driveway. I have already turned on all the lights in the house.

thanks tripper..we needed that, but I'm too busy cutting down trees for new trails for our eco friends to complain like you. I like action..now, where'd I leave my drill?

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/re ... -major.gif

Took all of 10 seconds to find this on the web.

Here's another one for ya Trip

http://www.livescience.com/forcesofnatu ... story.html

And the carbon dioxide record goes back a lil' farther than 100 years. Yes, I know that this is a record of carb. dioxide in ice cores.

http://cdiac.esd.ornl.gov/ftp/trends/co ... cecore.co2

This "Tripper" person is a troll. Either it is an alternate personality of someone that already posts here (any moderators feel like taking a peek at IP's?) or it is someone who was recruited to post in this thread. Regardless, this person opened an account to post in this thread and if the expressed views are hearfelt you have to wonder what kind of person thinks it is somehow noble and honorable to burn their and our money just to be contrary.

By "their and our money" I mean deliberately contributing to the destruction of our world by pissing away resources for no better reason than because they can. One person driving a Hummer is as offensive as the millionaire who never gives to charity. There is no good reason for driving the biggest thing that money can buy when there will never be more than one person or any kind of cargo in the thing. It costs more (money that could be given to charity perhaps) than a smaller car, it doesn't handle as well and is not as safe as a smaller car*, and most importantly it does not scream to the world that your penis is microscopic. Ultimately, buying an oversized, gashogging vehicle to show off that you have a shitload of money and you're going to use it to consume resources you don't need pretty much makes you a monkey throwing shit at the rest of us monkeys.

This makes one a particularly offensive type of monkey.


*Someone will need to check this for me as I barely have time to glance at the forum right now but if memory serves me the safest car is either a Toyota Corrolla or a Honda Civic if you measure "safest" as being involved in the fewest injury- or death-resulting accidents as a percentage of how many are out there. The main reason being that they are agile, stop quickly, and tend to stay upright. The last time I saw this report there were no SUV's in the top 20 or so vehicles. For the life of me I can't remember the source right now.

Pot meet Kettle!

tripper wrote:

Then how is there enough science in just a little over a hundred years to predict global warming. The bottom line is just a bunch of bullshit to get people all riled up.

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Well put, tripper. There is evidence that there has been a warming trend in the last few years, but the weather has had both cooling and warming trends over geologically minute amounts of time, but there is no real evidence that any of it was manmade.

The tree huggers are absolutely ridiculous, grabbing at any pseudo-science blather that supports their real cause. Whether it's honest or not simply does not matter. About 40 years ago famous tree nerd Paul Ehlich (think I got that right) predicted that man was pushing us into a new Ice Age. Haha! I'm not joking. Oh, yeah! And according to his book The Population Bomb, half the world would die of mass starvation. The prediction was that it would happen about 20 years ago. BWAHAHAHAHA!!! Gotta love it.

ZSpiddy