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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 8:59 pm
by Wes
Apathy = detatchment. Detachment is the first step to enlightenment. Therefore apathy is the way to enlightenment.
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:09 pm
by Crankmas
Disengagement is the French army tactic, detachment is a bugger liberated... enlightenment is no longer available, ie. 86 the enlightenment, but watch out for french troops flicking buggers on you as they run past
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:29 pm
by Paul3eb
and here i thought that enlightenment was all about realizing that there is no seperation, that everything is one, that there is no self, that there is nothing other than being and that being is a state of oneness with everything and with nothing, that there is no "path" or "steps", that the snake eats its tail.
and how can you have steps if you don't think about the future? aren't steps part of a plan and don't plans imply the dimension of time?
while i disagree that apathy = detatchment, look at it this way:
apathy = detachment = seperation. seperation necessitatesd plurality, plurality <> oneness.. :. apathy is not necessarily the way to enlightenment (i'm hedging because i have no idea what enlightenment is other than oneness, don't know the "way", and don't believe there is a set "way".. but hey, that's just what i believe [today])
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 10:04 pm
by tomdarch
Paul3eb wrote:and one for the absurdly annoying..
leo tolstoy wrote:everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself.
Crankmas wrote:nice quote, was he a commie too?
Man, I hope that was sarcasm.
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 10:37 pm
by merrick
i think elightenment can be found swinging on vines in the woods....a temporary suspension of anything other than the now...immediacy without panic, focus without intention, a sudden change of perception that you don't notice suddenly changing
Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 10:39 pm
by ynot
Im with Crankmas on this one. Damn hippies
Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 1:37 am
by charlie
tomdarch wrote:Paul3eb wrote:and one for the absurdly annoying..
leo tolstoy wrote:everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself.
Crankmas wrote:nice quote, was he a commie too?
Man, I hope that was sarcasm.
That's Crankmas. Not really sure if he ever means it or not but damn that's funny. It was the only thing that got me laughing today.
Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 2:09 am
by Ritwik
Wes wrote:Apathy = detatchment. Detachment is the first step to enlightenment. Therefore apathy is the way to enlightenment.
Sometimes I see stuff on this board that jerks me out of my habitual lurker mode.
Detachment as first step to enlightenment - a very Hindu (and maybe Buddhist, but I don't even less about that) idea.
Detachment = apathy, is a gross misundertanding of the Hindu idea of detachment.
Trying to get back to detached lurking.
Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 3:17 am
by pigsteak
Umm what about the larger tax credits that businesses get for buying gas guzzling useless SUVs? The reason you see so many humvees is that businesses get a bigger tax break for a humvee than a normal citizen gets for a hybrid. Do you know why piggie? To prop up big business. If you look more carefully, the hybrid tax credits are only for a few years and are being phased out. But the business tax credits for purchasing SUVs are not.
I haven't looked at your inflation page. I'm still pretty sure that inflation has negated any money that you believe W put in your pocket though.[/quote]
lol..prop up big business...another conspiracy I'm sure...rest assured the greater depreciation (not a credit, btw...there is a big difference) would not amount to much for "big business"....my experience was that small business owners used this credit to buy a personal SUV on the company's dollar...
why the animosity for business in general...why do we get to dictate how much people make? is it OK for liberals like George Soros, John "the litigator" Edwards, and George Clooney to have millions (even billions with Soros), but if their politics were conservative, then their money is somehow tainted? (The hypocrisy of the ultra rich liberals is laughable. Barbara Streisand preaching on the environment from the 17 acre compound she owns, which includes 4 homes on it....hmmmmm)
Like it or not, Wal Mart has done way more good than evil. Just today in the paper was a story on how Wal Mart actually brought money (albeit small) into communities, When one considered the wages they paid (which we avergae for the industry) plus the money people saved shopping at Wally World, the studies concluded that wal mart was a net benefit to communties. Again, that is an over simpification of the studies, as some were less nice and others were overly glorified. Trust me, Wal Mart didn't become the biggest retailer by only selling it's crap to conservatives....all are guilty of shopping at the trough.
Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 3:24 am
by Wes