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I do. And i think its all childish bullshit that these two compete. short answer

but wait....maybe I dont! Care to provide an explanation to those who dont crush daily in the Red?

ted wrote:crush daily in the Red?

hahahaha this guy is funny as shit too!

ted wrote:soooo..the big ass elephant in the room. Why not hand over the property to the rrgcc? I think they have done a good job with limited funding.

That's a great suggestion - coming from someone who is obviously not familiar with the politics of the area.

Rick and Liz wanted to buy the PMRP and then finance it to the RRGCC at a nice rate so they could make a profit. The RRGCC declined. At that point Rick and Liz decided that they were going to do it better. They have had few to no dealings with the RRGCC since and have "unselfishly" thrown themselves into their project of MV to show how much better they could do it. Many would argue that they have done a better job (after all they have BATHROOMS!!!). Many argue that MV is an unsustainable money sucking monster (likely).

In either case, I bet that the webers have some kind of clause that if they don't receive the funding the RRGCC is not to ever manage the property. They would banish it to the likes of pocket wall before that would happen.




Great suggestion. Hell would freeze over first.




But if you believe they won't renig on their promises, then give FOMV some money (look carefully at the wording in the Q&A - if you give it to Muir LLC or the donation boxes in Muir notice that the money goes straight to Rick and Liz if their lofty campaign shall fail - but if you give to FOMV, then FOMV gets to keep the money).

Personally, they CLAIM their operating expenses will go down - but their data shows it goes up every year. I don't buy that their funding will go down.

Just remember folks,

haters

are

douchebags.


Now go start a hobby. Rock climbing clearly is not for you.

tactless wrote:

ted wrote:soooo..the big ass elephant in the room. Why not hand over the property to the rrgcc? I think they have done a good job with limited funding.

That's a great suggestion - coming from someone who is obviously not familiar with the politics of the area.

Rick and Liz wanted to buy the PMRP and then finance it to the RRGCC at a nice rate so they could make a profit. The RRGCC declined. At that point Rick and Liz decided that they were going to do it better. They have had few to no dealings with the RRGCC since and have "unselfishly" thrown themselves into their project of MV to show how much better they could do it. Many would argue that they have done a better job (after all they have BATHROOMS!!!). Many argue that MV is an unsustainable money sucking monster (likely).

In either case, I bet that the webers have some kind of clause that if they don't receive the funding the RRGCC is not to ever manage the property. They would banish it to the likes of pocket wall before that would happen.
Great suggestion. Hell would freeze over first.

But if you believe they won't renig on their promises, then give FOMV some money (look carefully at the wording in the Q&A - if you give it to Muir LLC or the donation boxes in Muir notice that the money goes straight to Rick and Liz if their lofty campaign shall fail - but if you give to FOMV, then FOMV gets to keep the money).

Personally, they CLAIM their operating expenses will go down - but their data shows it goes up every year. I don't buy that their funding will go down.

So let's assume for a minute that every word that you just typed in 100% true and unbiased in anyway. Is letting 300 acres of already developed land and infrastructure worth just letting go by the wayside? I'm having a hard time understand why there is so much butthurt against the Webers to the point where we'd rather lose an asset to the community than put "POLITICS" aside? Because despite what many of you apparently think of the Webers, you can't say that Muir isn't a great entity in the Gorge. Whether it's couple of stellar walls with many great routes, or the BATHROOMS or the fact that it attracts SO MANY visitors that it takes strain off of other crags/resources. Sure, it may be more in cost than we are used to, but what other areas get this kind of traffic? And I doubt expenses will continue to go up or stay where it is. The infrastructure that the Webers have decided upon is built. If they no longer have a say/dream, then how are the current costs going to continue in the same fashion?

Just when you think you've seen everything on this forum, something like this pops up.

tactless wrote:

ted wrote:soooo..the big ass elephant in the room. Why not hand over the property to the rrgcc? I think they have done a good job with limited funding.

That's a great suggestion - coming from someone who is obviously not familiar with the politics of the area.

Rick and Liz wanted to buy the PMRP and then finance it to the RRGCC at a nice rate so they could make a profit. The RRGCC declined.

Not true. I had a couple conversations with John Bronough while discussions were going on with the Murrays about helping with the purchase in a not-for-profit manner. No interest was expressed by the Coalition, so we dropped it.

tactless wrote: At that point Rick and Liz decided that they were going to do it better. They have had few to no dealings with the RRGCC since

Not true. In the first two years after the PMRP was purchased we tried to be good neighbors. Liz and I co-sponsored the first Johnny and Alex Trail Day and provided food for the event. (Those with event tee shirts can confirm this.) Also MV and RRGCC jointly conducted the first Roadside Trail Day.

tactless wrote: ...and have "unselfishly" thrown themselves into their project of MV to show how much better they could do it. Many would argue that they have done a better job (after all they have BATHROOMS!!!). Many argue that MV is an unsustainable money sucking monster (likely).

Partially true. "money sucking monster" - maybe but unsustainable? Only in the minds of a handful of detractors.

tactless wrote:In either case, I bet that the webers have some kind of clause that if they don't receive the funding the RRGCC is not to ever manage the property. They would banish it to the likes of pocket wall before that would happen.

We're very confident the funding will happen. The response just in the past few days has been overwhelming.

tactless wrote:Great suggestion. Hell would freeze over first.

tactless wrote: But if you believe they won't renig on their promises, then give FOMV some money (look carefully at the wording in the Q&A - if you give it to Muir LLC or the donation boxes in Muir notice that the money goes straight to Rick and Liz if their lofty campaign shall fail - but if you give to FOMV, then FOMV gets to keep the money).

All donations will go toward operating and maintaining Muir, just as they always have. All money collected by MV or FOMV goes toward the goal.

tactless wrote:Personally, they CLAIM their operating expenses will go down - but their data shows it goes up every year. I don't buy that their funding will go down.

We've repeatedly stated that operating expense will undoubtedly go down significantly after the infrastructure is up to snuff. But it's more fun to set up a straw man then knock him down.

Oh what a tangled web we weave and truth is stranger than fiction if ya know the story...there are a few left out there that do know the chapters written since the good ole days...but in hope the drama train in the red can make its last stop in the foreseeable future....none of its worth putting the bowl down , spilling a beverage or losing the dude over now, but it does make a fella laugh a little.

For shame, I have only recently logged into this mess and I am appalled. Good god … give and give until it hurts. Preserve the land and it will be there for your children and beyond. Why would anyone question the motives … it is given. Why would anyone piss on past issues, we are over that. RRGCC vs. Muir Valley, who actually believes this shit?!!! We can do it we have done it before and can do so again. It is something that we can make happen. Sorry about the hyperbole ... it has been suggested I get over myself

Amen Bob. I just donated, worth every penny.

bob wrote:For shame, I have only recently logged into this mess and I am appalled. Good god … give and give until it hurts. Preserve the land and it will be there for your children and beyond. Why would anyone question the motives … it is given. Why would anyone piss on past issues, we are over that. RRGCC vs. Muir Valley, who actually believes this shit?!!! We can do it we have done it before and can do so again. It is something that we can make happen. Sorry about the hyperbole ... it has been suggested I get over myself

Best post of the thread.