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that's what i said, goodstone 5.8+. or did i mean rite of passage 5.7?

No, you specifically said "The only route with an accurate rating is Environmental Impact at 5.12".
Dude, EI is 5.7.

oh? oops! i thought i said something like, "the only man with an accurate stab is SCIN going for the manhole"

Do either one of you know the rating of the crack in the Red?

You know the one. The easy one, in Horatio's RED ZONE!

man, you called it! it's like riding a bike through a tunnel. maybe 3rd class if before bowel movements

For once, I agree with everybody in this thread. I couldn't climb Ro when it was an 11d, but now that it's clearly a 12a I can send it. It's a ton harder than Kick Me in the Jimmy and Ale 8 - both are gimmes. When the stuff in the Red was comparable to cracks in Yosemite, I could send easily. Now that they are considered steep stuff of the south, I can't do any of 'em. Isn't that weird? I wanted to work on some off widths but I'm not sure what to wear. Is it humid here or what! Can't wait til SCIN comes out with that new guide so I can figure out if I climbed a route or not. He's really cool, ya know. Why is 512OW posting now? He's not really climbing is he? I went to Sky Bridge Ridge, but I didn't get on Mr. Get it on Jones. I think it's too far away. It would be better if it were somewhere else I think, but the rating might change. Hmmm....

I think the real question is whether The Return of Chrys Snyder is 5.11d?
If it is then Ro is maybe 5.11b but I never really found good consistency at the Red especially for 11+ 12- stuff. I onsited both Stay and Ro but
got bouted on The Return and other long stuff. It's hard to put objective ratings on the diversity of the climbing the Red has to offer.

John.
???? I'm confused.

I think he sounds a little discombobulated himself,SCIN.
Wear some clam diggers and a tank top for offwidths,Duh.