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It sounds like meetings need to occur to bring together creativity and strategy (and commitment to action).

We could fix the $ issue at Muir easily if we not only donate $X each time we visit Muir (X = value agreed on by FoMV or community), but also make sure that our partners also commit to supporting Muir. If you do not have the money to support MV at this level, just don't climb there. Climbing is like anything else that demands upkeep. Ignore your teeth and they too will go away.

A suggested amount of donation per visit should be published in the next guidebook and on the venue page in the online guidebook. There it should state in no certain terms that the climber is not doing his/ her part if he / she is not meeting their fair share of the financial committment.

Ok, we are headed to Webers for dinner... Are they happy if we show up with a cliff bar? A six pack? A bottle of fine wine? Or do we need to bring dinner for everyone? Except we don't even know how many guests they are expecting. Sometimes it is nice for the host to give you an idea of what is needed... And most of "our family" tends to just show up empty handed, knowing Michelle will "get it" for us.

There is a number that would bring a smile to their face and warm their heart. We need that number.

Also, the Webbers do not owe us anything... But I do sincerely believe THEY WANT Muir Valley to become a sustainable climbing preserve for generations. Because of this, I believe they owe it to themselves to at least share their expectations in an objective and quantifiable manner.

I have some great news.. i'm getting too old to climb or care much so will stop annoying everyone here. i hope Artsay and whatever hybrid of the rrgcc/FoMV can make it work this time as it hasn't on several occasions in years past, the strategy seems the same, threats, confusion, hardening of positions, intransigence.

no, the Weber's don't 'owe' us anything. i just feel like if we share values and goals and will need a cooperative agreement to maintain contributions from newer generations of climbers for decades to come, what we raise now based on personal charms/privilege relationships will hardly be indicative of what it will take to be successful into the future. transparency just seems like a very good golden rule.

how old are you clif..if you ain't at least 60 then stop with the age excuse......apathy has no age limits ya know.

Need to start auctioning off the stuff people leave behind at Muir. Quarterly auction in the parking lot. If the owner wants it back they can buy it. Funny how broke people have a few spare bucks when they want their rope or sunglasses back.

Let's hear it Cliff; during which potusa admin were you born?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNXkrX3fGKA

that was the year i learned how to boogie

OK, so you are old. No excuse.

caribe wrote: A suggested amount of donation per visit should be published in the next guidebook and on the venue page in the online guidebook. There it should state in no certain terms that the climber is not doing his/ her part if he / she is not meeting their fair share of the financial committment.

Agreed, at the very least there should be large red unavoidable signs in the parking lot and in the guidebook describing the suggested admission donation of $2-3 per person or $3-5 per car (or whatever seems fair). This suggested policy needs to be broadcast far and wide on this website, Muir's site, gyms, and so on.

A similar model has arisen in big cities with funding-starved arts organizations, theater companies, and museums, whose hearts are not yet calloused enough to turn away those with less disposable income: "pay what you wish (but we strongly suggest $x)". Greater than 90% pay the strongly suggested amount. Let's be real, if a climber can afford $20-100+ to drive their asses to the Red and back to Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois, Quebec, Ontario, Colorado or wherever, then they can damn well pay $2-3 each for the privilege of climbing at Muir.