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Awesome. If someone gets my draws off Reticent will you shoot me a pm. Thanks!

tbwilsonky wrote:Awesome. If someone gets my draws off Reticent will you shoot me a pm. Thanks!

lmao

chosen1 wrote:

pigsteak wrote:I thought you'd say that..in that case, I'll scream even louder. PD's are a really bad idea. lazy climbers making their "sport" even lazier. only if all you pro PD's folks agree that bolting trad lines is also OK will I even agree with your "justification" for leaving this visual trash on the walls. come on, cracks need to get moving..this ain't 1997 ya know.

Does this make you and other developers who have posted on here "lazy" for leaving draws up on red-tagged routes? Because if it's about "trash" being on the wall, then let's be consistent. But maybe you don't really believe this who knows. You are usually talking out of both sides of your mouth just to keep the threads going.

lmao...ya think?

I look at it this way. If you were backpacking, set up your tents at a base camp, then went on some day hikes from that camp, and finally broke it down and went home that would be great. However, if you went out and set up the same base camp, went home for a few weeks or so to return for your day hikes, that would not be cool and you would probably return to find someone had taken your tents. So I personally don't have a problem with project draws if you are working a climb over a shorth period of time. But not cool to leave them up for weeks or months while you are gone elsewhere.

captain static wrote:I look at it this way. If you were backpacking, set up your tents at a base camp, then went on some day hikes from that camp, and finally broke it down and went home that would be great. However, if you went out and set up the same base camp, went home for a few weeks or so to return for your day hikes, that would not be cool and you would probably return to find someone had taken your tents. So I personally don't have a problem with project draws if you are working a climb over a shorth period of time. But not cool to leave them up for weeks or months while you are gone elsewhere.

If the Red were my local area...I would absolutely leave my project draws up until I sent. Your analogy is way off. Completely different set of arbitrary rules set by a precedent...you cannot compare the two at all.

So if those completely different set of arbitary rules set by a precedent cause access issues and an unsustainable situation and environment, should a new precedent by made? Just becuase PD work at other areas in the US doesn't mean they are ok at the Red.

rhunt wrote:So if those completely different set of arbitary rules set by a precedent cause access issues and an unsustainable situation and environment, should a new precedent by made? Just becuase PD work at other areas in the US doesn't mean they are ok at the Red.

Land owner rules, then FA/ developer. Climber should be cognizant, so she needs to read the beta notes in the online guide. It amazes me the amount of people who climb the Red who are utterly ignorant of this site.

Lets make this the rule, in fact it actually is the rule and is understood to be the rule any where other than here. If you leave your shit, you takes your chances.

Clevis Hitch wrote:Lets make this the rule, in fact it actually is the rule and is understood to be the rule any where other than here. If you leave your shit, you takes your chances.

Exactly what I was saying with my analogy.

wow, i feel funny inside...did we just agree on something?My head hurts,I'm gonna take a nap now...