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Clevis Hitch
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captain static
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I knew Clevis was going to get ruffled by my post but I didn't mean anything diabolical here typing from my batcave. Certainly Clevis, or any other Lee Co. resident, should not hesitate from calling the Judge. You are a constituent. However, I don't think the road situation warrants a grass roots campaign and there are some sensitive aspects in our relationship with the County.
When the RRGCC first bought the PMRP we were paying $2,000 per year in property taxes. After we obtained 501(c)(3) IRS tax exempt status we then applied for, and received from the State, a property tax and sales tax exemption. Our thinking in pitching in the $2,000 for helping maintain the road was a gesture to the County, "we're taking the money we were paying in property taxes and we are applying it to maintaining the road." After all, if all of us climbers were'nt going down there, the road wouldn't need as much maintenance.
We have worked hard to maintain a good relationship with the County. Believe it or not, a number of years back the RRGCC Board had a professionally facilitated workshop on doing business in Eastern Kentucky. Our main lessons from that workshop were: 1) we are outsiders (you are an outsider unless your family has lived in Eastern Kentucky for at least three generations); 2) climbers will always be seen as outsiders; and 3) when dealing with locals remember you are an outsider and go out of your way to be polite. We got around this to some extent because our property manager, Mark Jackson, is from Eastern Kentucky and is not an outsider. He developed a good relationship with those involved in maintaining the road. Another thing we did towards maintaining good relations in the County was to join the Lee Co. Chamber of Commerce.
If the RRGCC decided to continue to pitch in and help maintain the road w/o oil company involvement it would only take a call from Mark to the Road Dept. What do you all think?
When the RRGCC first bought the PMRP we were paying $2,000 per year in property taxes. After we obtained 501(c)(3) IRS tax exempt status we then applied for, and received from the State, a property tax and sales tax exemption. Our thinking in pitching in the $2,000 for helping maintain the road was a gesture to the County, "we're taking the money we were paying in property taxes and we are applying it to maintaining the road." After all, if all of us climbers were'nt going down there, the road wouldn't need as much maintenance.
We have worked hard to maintain a good relationship with the County. Believe it or not, a number of years back the RRGCC Board had a professionally facilitated workshop on doing business in Eastern Kentucky. Our main lessons from that workshop were: 1) we are outsiders (you are an outsider unless your family has lived in Eastern Kentucky for at least three generations); 2) climbers will always be seen as outsiders; and 3) when dealing with locals remember you are an outsider and go out of your way to be polite. We got around this to some extent because our property manager, Mark Jackson, is from Eastern Kentucky and is not an outsider. He developed a good relationship with those involved in maintaining the road. Another thing we did towards maintaining good relations in the County was to join the Lee Co. Chamber of Commerce.
If the RRGCC decided to continue to pitch in and help maintain the road w/o oil company involvement it would only take a call from Mark to the Road Dept. What do you all think?
"Be responsible for your actions and sensitive to the concerns of other visitors and land managers. ... Your reward is the opportunity to climb in one of the most beautiful areas in this part of the country." John H. Bronaugh
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Clevis Hitch
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If you give a man a match, he'll be warm for a minute. If you set him on fire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life!
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Eric Cox
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I took this photo of "that ice" just a day or two before is was climbed by him and this other guy.
That guy, Roger, Kat West, and I were all hanging out at this certain resturant that winter. I ran a cord out to my van for heat while we were remodeling the basement and they hung out in the monestary keeping a fire going all winter. Great Times!
I think part of the event was wrote about by some climbing mag, maybe U.C.
I remember saying that it would have been awesome to have gotten photos of ice climbing on S. P. land.
But that brings up a question, does the S.P. own the waterfall?
This was Feb 2007Clevis Hitch wrote: Thats about the limit of ice climbing in Ky that I know of. About three years ago I think I got a first ascent(t.r) at whittleton arch
I took this photo of "that ice" just a day or two before is was climbed by him and this other guy.
That guy, Roger, Kat West, and I were all hanging out at this certain resturant that winter. I ran a cord out to my van for heat while we were remodeling the basement and they hung out in the monestary keeping a fire going all winter. Great Times!
I think part of the event was wrote about by some climbing mag, maybe U.C.
I remember saying that it would have been awesome to have gotten photos of ice climbing on S. P. land.
But that brings up a question, does the S.P. own the waterfall?
Yo' a pretty smart feller there buddy.Jeff wrote:You don't go under your real name on here, you're initials wouldn't be J. H. Would they?
This is starting to remind me of a few years ago.
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Clevis Hitch
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thanks Clevis for taking the flak and opening the discussion to alternatives and factual considerations, and local wisdom.
Captain-i really appreciate the openness and the perspective on how things got to this point. and the tireless work and committment.
i'm particularly excited by the idea that Lee county does not enjoy the business brought by climbers and how it is possible to see this as a dynamic situation on the cusp of changing.
i have both appreciated the small store between Mig's and Slade, drove to Stanton for a full store, and wondered at Linda's why, when told, that Beattyville didn't really have a grocery store. as a foreigner, i've loved eastern Kentucky as it was and is, but if Clevis thinks making a show of that road is a good step, i'll take his word for it.
Captain-i really appreciate the openness and the perspective on how things got to this point. and the tireless work and committment.
i'm particularly excited by the idea that Lee county does not enjoy the business brought by climbers and how it is possible to see this as a dynamic situation on the cusp of changing.
i have both appreciated the small store between Mig's and Slade, drove to Stanton for a full store, and wondered at Linda's why, when told, that Beattyville didn't really have a grocery store. as a foreigner, i've loved eastern Kentucky as it was and is, but if Clevis thinks making a show of that road is a good step, i'll take his word for it.
Hi all I'm new to the site and don't mean to intrude on your conversation. I'm a local of Lee Co. and my family has been living here since the early 1800's. The reason I'm posting here is that there will be improvements on Bald Rock Rd. and the hill in question.
I do have some questions:
1. What would you like to see improved in the area?
2. What ammenities are needed in the area? Camping,Dining,Music,Gear Shop?
Please send your ideas or thoughts..
Thank You
I do have some questions:
1. What would you like to see improved in the area?
2. What ammenities are needed in the area? Camping,Dining,Music,Gear Shop?
Please send your ideas or thoughts..
Thank You