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gunslnga wrote: The very point I was making was not that you were attempting to provoke, but that it could be taken that way.

That was my point

pigsteak wrote:gulliver, isn't this a privately funded museum where you have to pay to get inside? how is that infringing on your rights? if you don't like it, open your own museum across the street and refute their claims. Being a true capitalist, I encourage all forms of commerce.

ahhhh... who said anything about rights?

My concern from an educational standpoint is filling a bunch of kids heads with crap under the unfair pressure of their spiritual relevance.
My concern from a Christian's view would be the irresponsibility inherent in it. Science is a reasonably fluid thing except for when you've coached kids into basing their faith on it. No one's going to be there for them when they quit it because some of them discovered zippy the pinhead was full of it, or that science has come up with some irrefutable proof of something Ken Ham had been railing against. Seems like a lot to be responsible for; driving someone outside the fold. You'd think the Church would be the loudest opponent of this.


The Koreshans lived in a hollow sphere.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koreshanity

I'm with Piggy on this one.It's like the bolt argument. you don't have to go to that museum and you don't have to clip a bolt. Why rip out the bolt or the museum.
when my high school science teacher drilled into us how nuclear power was completely safe because they have backups on thier backups,I was highly skeptical. Three Mile Island and Chernobyl happened shortly after. I give that museum a couple years and they will be begging for money to stay open. You know ,like the Freedom Center.

I hate to say it but I almost want to go, and I am sure that is the bottom line of its existance. Strike up enough contraversy and it will make most of it money from its opponents.

And nuclear power is safe as long as we don't skimp on the background checks of their employees.

A bunch of cliff line I had been eying in SE Ky is now gone forever to support our existing power Infrastructure.


Nuclear now to support climbing.

I have to agree with Gulliver. It's an important topic to refute because of all the controversy caused by the religion in school, government, climbing web sites, Pigsteak, etc. And Pig, not everyone against having "God" text message them (have you seen that billboard?) is refuting from their own spiritual malarchy.

I wish every Christian could be like the Veggie Tales. Now those were some good, fun Christian vegetables. "Everybody's got a water buffalo. Mine is fat but yours is slow." Interjected by the British vegetable, "EVERYBODY HAS NOT GOT A WATER BUFFALO!!!!"

Meadows wrote:not everyone against having "God" text message them (have you seen that billboard?)

I haven't seen a billboard, but the church on a street in our neighborhood has a really amusing sign out front on which they constantly change the messages. Some recent ones include:

"SUP? WAN 2 TALK? GBU, JC"

"UR VIP. MT FORCE BWU, JC"

Here is what University of Cincinnati is doing to counter: http://www.uc.edu/news/NR.asp?id=5928
BTW, I am Catholic and the Father of our parish was formerly a Chemistry prof at Miami Oxford. On more that one occassion in his homily he has explained a Bible passage as to be taken as an allegory, not literally.

Religion is not science. Science has a method. Creationism is based solely on faith. I would never send my children to a school that even mentioned creationism in a science class. It is the same as teaching a class about gravity and giving a lecture about how superman could fly… its nonsense

Well, it's been a while since I've weighed in again on this issue. I've sat back and seen how the discussion would unfold, so here goes.

TomDarch:
I have no answer to your question. I'll counter then with a question to you. "What effect would the answer have to your current position?"

I know that most of you all who have voiced your opinion here don't seem to believe in the view that the Creation Museum holds to. My point about people being so intolerant of other views has played out nicely here. Most of you call yourselves "open-minded". If open-mindedness is a virtue here then many of you need to allow yourselves some challenge. Everyday in the secular universities Christian's views are challenged and scrutinized in the name of science and reason. Why can not some secular students in the same universities have their views questioned in the name of religion and a different view of facts. Those who call themselves "tolerant" aren't really tolerant at all; they are just resisting a challenge to their own view.

Saxman: You say that creationism isn't a view at all. What then is it? I say it most certainly is because it's not just a view, it's a worldview that impacts the very core of several different aspects of life.

What I would ask and challenge you all to do is to read Genesis 1 - 11 and Romans 1 - 11. I know that if the majority of professing Christians who attend church and are very religious, have not read the Bible all the way through from Genesis to Revelation, than I can surely say that many people who do not attend church and are not religious have not read the Bible themselves either. I would encourage everyone to at least read it with an open mind to consider a different view.

Were any of you there when the first tree started to grow? Were any of you alive to see creation take place? Which among you witnessed the creation of the Red River Gorge? Did any of you see the first mountain and cross the first valley? Did any of you witness the fall of man and the destruction it has caused? Most people consult science for fact, but why not use another source, The Bible, where God uses men to write down in an infallible way the way in which Creation took place? Consider that there is a force higher than man that can explain far better the ways and means of the origins of everything, and then arrive at a conclusion.

I appreciate the most that Krampus has said that he'd almost like to go and see the museum, just to see it. Here is another challenge for you. If you think you can be open minded enough to consider another view and would like to at least say that you were at the Creation Museum, I'll meet you in Lexington or wherever you're at and take you there, and pay your admission fee. No charge at all to you and I might even throw in dinner afterwards.

So who among you are going to take me up on the challenges, and not just criticize another man's view? I mean, come on all of you "open-minded" people!

Oh, and for those of you who think that the Creation Museum is not based on science, look at some of the scientists that hold to a new earth view (the Earth is 6000 years old)

http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/bios/

Also check out the rest of the site. You just might learn something, if you open your noggin up enough.