Christian wrote: use the water or vinegar before the attack 8)
Douche?
Anyway, if someone had a phobia or problem with my dog I would do whatever I could to help them out if they let me know. The first time I go to a new crag I usually leave my dog at home until I see what the situation there is like. I am always keeping an eye on him when he is there. Because of that it is even less enjoyable for me but I do it because it has to be done. I know him well but I don't know everyone I met at the crag.
I don't think anyone is talking about fear of the dogs as much as for or against them on leashes at the crags.
I'm not against dogs at the crag at all, but just want responsible handling by those who do bring them.
Christian wrote: use the water or vinegar before the attack 8)
Douche?
Anyway, if someone had a phobia or problem with my dog I would do whatever I could to help them out if they let me know. The first time I go to a new crag I usually leave my dog at home until I see what the situation there is like. I am always keeping an eye on him when he is there. Because of that it is even less enjoyable for me but I do it because it has to be done. I know him well but I don't know everyone I met at the crag.
The reason why this subject keeps coming up is that there is no middle ground and dog owners take it as a personal attack. Personally I don't really care to see dogs at the crag, but love to see the owners. Don't get me wrong I truely love dogs, I have had one around all of my 40+ years. I consider them a part of the family, not just a pet. It is my opinion just like it is the opinion of some that the have the right to let there dogs run free. I really don't see a leash as a big deal if the dog is properly trained with a leash. If not, then perhaps the dog isn't quite really that perfect?
Just as with most polls the potential answers are heavily biased.
No where do I see an option for "it depends on the situation".
I know a super-ton of wonderful crag dogs.
I also know a couple of poopy crag dogs.
Where they get their behavior I'm not willing to pontificate on.
However, as was stated in the other thread, we are all on this planet together and should at least try to get along.
The readiness to resort to *violence* just makes me sad.
On the other hand it is giving me great tidbits to throw into my psychology class.
Aren't the first two options "depends on the situation" questions?
Those are the two most popular reasons I have heard people use when someone asks them to put their dog on a leash ("don't worry, my dog is well trained, friendly etc..." or "well, it's not really too crowded, I don't think the dog will bother you"). The assumption is that owners respond well to the request that their dog be leashed, but I have seen many people dismissed and the dogs left off the leash--that goes back to what many people say about the consideration of others.
Hauling a big ego up a route adds at least a full grade.
steep4me,
i still stand that polls are biased.
and by an "it depends" i was thinking of the "other" response.
sometimes dogs are well behaved and sometimes well behaved dogs are not well behaved. sometimes people care about it and sometimes they don't.
that's were i was going with it.
I know that you believe that you understood what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
- Robert McCloskey
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
- Emo Philips
If I see people at the cliff I don't know, I usually ask them if they're uncomfortable with Dakota. I generally tell them that if she bothers them, I'm happy to leash her. The only other times I leash her are when mean dogs are around and at Muir. Aside from that, she obeys my verbal commands.
I adore most of the dogs I meet at the cliff. The only exceptions are mean dogs. I don't like them at the cliff, even leashed. But I don't get to choose what happens at the cliff. So, I just act in what I consider to be a responsible manner.
Despite all the posturing and threats on this bbs, no one has ever threatened to kick my dog nor do I think they will.
Jesus only knows that she tries too hard. She's only trying to keep the sky from falling.
I am a dog owner, but our standard rule is River stays on a leash in these instances:
1- my wife and I are both climbing/belaying, so no one is watching him
2-ANY other people are at the crag, and they don't have a dog.
3-Muir says so
4-other dogs are present, and the playing/fightin of the dogs will irritate/distract the other folks trying to enjoy tehir day.
of course, we are not perfect, but I feel as dog owners, it is our responsibility to make our dog less intrusive. it is not our right to have him prance all around unattended. that is what a trail run is for, or a day at the dog park. seriously...dog owners...just be considerate. (which means leash up your dog. this isn't a life sentence.)
Hey VA,
You seem awfully biased against biased polls for some reason. Are these feelings of anti-biased-ness bred from a childhood of being forced to take biased polls? I know that's where a lot of my negative feelings were formed. Like yardwork, for instance. I fucking hate yardwork. Why? Because I was beaten with a stick until I picked up the rusty scissors and went out and cut the grass. Do you know how hard it is to cut an acre of grass with rusty, left-handed child's safety scissors? Especially when you are right handed? It's pretty fucking tough! So feel comforted in the knowledge that at least someone (me) knows where you are coming from.
Mj
...quitting drinking is kinda like washing your hands after you take a crap...why start now?
I know that's where a lot of my negative feelings were formed. Like yardwork, for instance. I fucking hate yardwork. Why? Because I was beaten with a stick until I picked up the rusty scissors and went out and cut the grass. Do you know how hard it is to cut an acre of grass with rusty, left-handed child's safety scissors? Especially when you are right handed? It's pretty fucking tough! So feel comforted in the knowledge that at least someone (me) knows where you are coming from. 