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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 3:15 am
by Paul3eb
c wrote:
"feathers"

Feathers 5-5-02

Faith works midnights at Seven-Eleven
and costs everything but logic.
I would have followed you down
That dusty Demascus road
had I been footsure of every brick.
A million things could have changed my mind
before sitting in cold May forty five.
I found urban whitebud heaven
and tasted the fragrance of being alive.
If that sprig of remembrance could’ve saved her life
I would have sprinkled it round her head.
Seeing her hair strewn with petals would convince her
to erase what he did and forget what he said.
All her flat needed was the brilliance of spring
or Saul’s light which blinded me.
I found the moon washed electric tonight
And felt plainly, simply our father through the tree.

Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 5:14 pm
by meetVA
What was in that candle's light
that opened and consumed me so quickly?
Come back, my friend.
The form of our love is not a created form.
Nothing can help me but that beauty.
There was a dawn I remember when my soul
heard something from your soul.
I drank water from your spring,
and felt the current take me.

Rumi

Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 2:08 am
by Zspider
from Blood Meridian:

..some of the men were moving on foot among the huts with torches and dragging the victims out, slathered and dripping with blood, hacking at the dying and decapitating those who knelt for mercy. There were in the camp a number of Mexican slaves and these ran forth calling out in spanish and were brained or shot and one of the Delawares emerged from the smoke with a naked infant dangling in each hand and squatted at a ring of midden stones and swung them by the heels each in turn and bashed their heads against the stones so that the brains burst forth through the fontanel in a bloody spew and humans on fire came shrieking forth like berserkers and the riders hacked them down with their enormous knives....

ZSpider

Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 2:11 am
by Zspider
Indians in Blood Meridian:

A legion of horribles, hundreds in number, half naked or clad in costumes attic or biblical or wardrobed out of a fevered dream with the skins of animals and silk finery and pieces of uniform still tracked with the blood of prior owners, frogged and braided cavalry jackets, one in a stovepipe hat and one with an umbrella and one in white stockings and a bloodstained weddingveil and some in headgear of cranefeathers or rawhide helmets that bore the horns of buffalo...like a horde from a hell more horrible yet than the brimstone land of christian reckoning, screeching and yammering and clothed in smoke like those vaporous beings in regions beyond right knowing where the eye wanders and the lip jerks and drools.

*************
Wonderful passage. Not very politically correct, though.

ZSpider

Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 2:13 am
by Zspider
third time's a charm:

...riding down the unhorsed Saxons and spearing and clubbing them and leaping from their mounts and running about on the ground with a peculiar bandylegged trot like creatures driven to alien forms of locomotion and stripping the clothes from the dead and seizing them up by their hair and passing their knives about the skulls of the living and the dead alike and snatching aloft the bloody wigs and hacking and chopping at the naked bodies, ripping off limbs, heads, gutting the strange white torsos and holding up great handfuls of viscera, genitals, some of the savages so slathered up with gore they might have rolled in it like dogs and some who fell upon the dying and sodomized them with loud cries to their fellows.

***********
It just don't get no better.

ZSpider

Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 2:20 am
by dipsi
A few of you may remember ending the day with this:
High Flight

Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
Of sun-split clouds -- and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of -- wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there,
I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air.
Up, up the long, delirious burning blue,
I've topped the windswept heights with easy grace
Where never lark, or even eagle flew.
And, while with silent, lifting mind I've trod
The high untresspassed sanctity of space,
Put out my hand, and touched the face of God.

-- RCAF Flight-Lieutenant John Gillespie Magee Jr.
(1922-1941).

Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 11:15 pm
by Paul3eb
more from the master:
herman hesse in [i]demian[/i] wrote:
still, demian's new concept seemed vaguely sinister and threatened to topple beliefs whose continued existence i felt i simply had to insist. no, one could not make light of everything, especially not the most sacred matters.

as usual he noticed my resistance even before i had said anything.

"i know," he said in a resigned tone of voice, "it's the same old story: don't take these stories seriously! but i have to tell you something: this is one of the very places that reveals the poverty of this religion most distinctly. the point is that this god of both old and new testaments is certainly an extraordinary figure but not what he purports to represent. he is all that is good, noble, fatherly, beautiful, elevated, sentimental - true! but the world consists of something else besides. and what is left over is ascribed to the devil, this entire slice of world, this entire half is suppressed and hushed up. in exactly the same way they praise god as the father of all life but simply refuse to say a word about our sexual life on which it's all based, describing it whenever possible as sinful, the work of the devil. i have no objection to worshipping this god jehovah, far from it. but i mean we out to consider everything sacred, the entire world, not merely this artificially separated half! thus alongside the divine service we should also have a service for the devil. i feel that would be right. otherwise you must create for yourself a god that contains the devil too and in front of which you needn't close your eyes when the most natural things in the world take place."

---

..only one thing was certain: the voice within me, the dream image. i felt the duty to follow this voice blindly wherever it might lead me. but it was difficult and each day i rebelled against it anew. perhaps i was mad, as i thought at moments; perhaps i was not like other men? but i was able to do the same things the others did: with a little effort and industry i could read plato, was able to solve problems in trigonometry or follow a chemical analysis. there was only one thing i could not do: wrest the dark secret goal from myself and keep it before me as other did who knew exactly what they wanted to be - professors, lawyers, doctors, artists, however long this would take them and whatever difficulties and advantages this decision would bear in its wake. this i could not do. perhaps i would become something similar, but how was i to know? perhaps i would have to continue my search for years on end and would not become anything, and would not reach a goal. perhaps i would reach this goal but it would turn out to be an evil, dangerous, horrible one?

i wanted only to try to live in accord with the promptings which came from my true self. why was that so very difficult?

---

each man has only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself. he might end up as poet or madman, as prophet or criminal - that was not his affair, ultimately it was of no concern. his task was to discover his own destiny - not an arbitrary one - and live it out wholly and resolutely within himself. everything else was only a would-be existence, an attempt at evasion, a flight back to the ideals of the masses, conformity and fear of one's own inwardness. the new vision rose up before me, glimpsed a hudred times, possibly even expressed before but now experienced for the first time by me. i was an experiment on the part of nature, a gamble within the unknown, perhaps for a new purpose, perhaps for nothing, and my only task was to allow this game on the part of the primeval depths to take its course, to feel its will within me and make it wholly mine. that or nothing!

i had already felt much loneliness, now there was a deeper loneliness still which was inescapable.

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"one never reaches home," she said. "but where paths that have affinity for each other intersect, he whole world looks like home, for a time."

Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:02 am
by Zspider
Working your way through Hesse, eh, Paul? The literati generally consider him to be entry-level literature, but I think he's great. I read about a half-dozen of his novels a long time ago. Supposedly existentialism is the subtext of most of his novels. Existence precedes essence and all that.

Yasmeen. You there? What is Kite Runner (or whatever the title is) about? Is it uh... a chick book, or something that a manly man could flex his pecs (visions of a pink bra?) and enjoy?

ZSpider

Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 1:04 pm
by Guest
Sunset is an angel weeping
Holding out a bloody sword
No matter how I squint I cannot
Make out what it's pointing toward
Sometimes you feel like you live too long
Days drip slowly on the page
You catch yourself
Pacing the cage

I've proven who I am so many times
The magnetic strip's worn thin
And each time I was someone else
And every one was taken in
Hours chatter in high places
Stir up eddies in the dust of rage
Set me to pacing the cage

I never knew what you all wanted
So I gave you everything
All that I could pillage
All the spells that I could sing
It's as if the thing were written
In the constitution of the age
Sooner or later you'll wind up
Pacing the cage

Sometimes the best map will not guide you
You can't see what's round the bend
Sometimes the road leads through dark places
Sometimes the darkness is your friend
Today these eyes scan bleached-out land
For the coming of the outbound stage.
Pacing the cage.
Pacing the cage.

- Bruce Cockburn

Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 1:41 pm
by Paul3eb
Zspider wrote:Working your way through Hesse, eh, Paul? The literati generally consider him to be entry-level literature, but I think he's great. I read about a half-dozen of his novels a long time ago. Supposedly existentialism is the subtext of most of his novels. Existence precedes essence and all that.
sorry, didn't see your post..

yeah, personally i love him. he gets a bit "out there" at times but i try to take it all in stride. i'd say that, more than a hesse kick, i'm on more of an existential kick. i've tried in the past to get into neitzche but i started with "thus spoke zarathustra" and it was a bit much at the time. there's a lot good and useful stuff in existentialism, though it has its limits, too. it gives you excellent perspective and is great at reminding you how small and stupid and transient and insignificant we are and how much freedom that gives us.