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Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2003 9:39 pm
by pigsteak
well said SCIN!!!!! nothing more fun, or frustrating than falling of the slab at the end of a pumpy route.
Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2003 9:44 pm
by Horatio Felacio
yeah, sorry pig. i'm afraid yas is right. i'd also be willing to bet that i've been to a shitload more places than you have.
unfortunately, i think you're the one who needs to broaden your horizons more and travel...not other places, just new routes in the red. maybe you're too scared to get on routes that don't have chalk on them? or that no one get's on? or that one person says "sucks" so everyone else will tell you the same thing even though they have no idea. i think you need to get over your stereotype of the red of only crimp ladders. you're just like all the other sacks of shit that says, "the red is only bucket hauling endurance climbing". sorry, that's not gonna fly.
don't get me wrong, i'd say that's a good way to tell people what a lot of the motherlode routes are like, or some at the darkside, or the return of chris snyder...
why don't you list all the "enduro-crimp ladders" you've done at the red out of the 1500 or so routes we have?
Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2003 9:55 pm
by Horatio Felacio
man, pig, i actually read your post...you really are a fucking idiot!
first off, most routes at any crag in the world have more than one sequence for the crux. go anywhere and ask for beta. see how many people tell you something different.
don't know about intermediate holds...maybe you're weak?
yes, a lot of routes do have 10-15 different feet per move. probably more! i'd be willing to bet only 1-5 of them get used though.
body english...you're a jackass. body english helps keep the pump off.
Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2003 9:56 pm
by Lateralus
Stronghandman aka Richard Cranium, hell yeah real strong hand, your Rosey Palmer's man right? From Joshua Tree? You were saying something about wanting to take some good holds back home with you. But hey make sure there ain't no pictographs on those or they might fence off your bathroom for an archeological dig or something-- Rosey wouldn't like that you know. Thanks for the PR though, it ain't getting any less crowded at those crappy endurance laden boresome ugly chalked jugfestooned Red cliffs now-- go tell your buddies ya hear!
Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2003 10:04 pm
by pigsteak
ho, why are you trying so hard to justify the red as a technical area? like SCIN said, what is wrong with climbing on pumpy stone? there is no need to create something that isn't really there...
it would be easier for me to list the technical routes at the red I have done...zippo.
Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2003 10:11 pm
by Horatio Felacio
why are you avoiding the subject?
i'm trying to dissolve the common rrg stereotype as "only having enduro crimp ladders". i'm also trying to help you to enjoy some of the best routes in the red.
that's a good tech route list though. now list the amount of trad routes you've done at the red. then the amount of mixed routes. then the amount of "endurance routes". i bet that your lists will show that you have no clue what the fuck you're talking about when it comes to climbing at the red.
Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2003 10:21 pm
by pigsteak
agreed...I don't have a clue...when I come to the red, I am a sport climber pure and simple. and I am proud of that. I come to the red to get my forearms blasted, not to be shut down on any individual sequences.
I welcome any route list you would like to share. Nothing harder than 12d please.
Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2003 10:24 pm
by Horatio Felacio
do the ones i mentioned before. seriously, i think they are some of the best routes in the red. go do any of the following: soul ram, swahili slang, techno destructo, dave the dude, super slab. if you don't like these, stick to the motherlode like everyone else.
Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2003 10:26 pm
by pigsteak
i have done dave the dude and soul ram...I will try the others. thanks.
i do agree..dave the dude was pretty fun.
Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2003 10:27 pm
by Horatio Felacio
oh yeah...the gift.