They are proposing a gift for which they have spent over $1,000,000. It is not reasonable to compare that gift to the purchase of MFRP and make the conclusion that MFRP was a rip off.
Savage wrote: To ensure this, I think it is perfectly reasonable for the climbing community to get a budget and a plan for the upcoming years. If they want the community to foot the bill, we should know what we are paying for.
It is a non-profit, dependent upon charitable donations. As such, it will ASK for donations for demonstrable need and it will be up to the community to decide if and to what extent it will support those endeavors.
ie. FoMV could budget for a monorail in 2017, but if they don't have the cash and the community doesn't financially support it, then no monorail. That being said, as a 501(c)(3) non profit they will obligated to transparently share the financials each year.
They are proposing a gift for which they have spent over $1,000,000. It is not reasonable to compare that gift to the purchase of MFRP and make the conclusion that MFRP was a rip off.
J-Ru, it was making an extreme example of the relative value of Muir. It wasn't an attempt to put down MFRP, but instead to highlight the extent of the generosity.
Looks like I have to dig even deeper this year. I rarely climb there but I do want MV to be around after my dogs die.
It gonna be hard, the coalition puts a lot of effort into fund raising (A LOT). Their efforts have created a likely projection of the size of the pie that the comunity has ingreedients for. I have not seen the books and I don't have an MBA but my question is whether the FOMV have considered this (and future projections) when taking on this challenge? It would seem to me this goal is at the very best is the equivilent of MV asking for 200%, but likely 300% to 400% of the available pie. Will bolt and coalition fundraising have to be put on hold? It's an awkward position the community has been put in so I can understand certain frustrations but it is what it is.
And what it is is time to start dancin. Those of us who care, we gotta dance and pass the hat around, its the only way possible. We need those duckets, we gotta spread the word. Anybody have any human statue experience? Loyalty to the coalition is mandatory cus our land can't be taken back but we have to support Muir as well. There has to be enough pie for everyone.
How you compare may not be as important as to whom you are compared
The same thing I was saying, but I bet it will be taken a little better. Jump on him Potts, c2c and roto.
The difference is, krampus sounds like someone who actually gives a shit. You wanna talk about the Weber's posts being passive aggressive, but yours are downright aggressive.
I fell for the everyone-shut-up-and-ill-donate-money scheme. -Ray Ellington, guidebook gawd
My name is Sam Douglass and I love to pose for photo shoots holding on to a jug with only one hand (and no feet!) with my best friend Ian.
ted wrote:soooo..the big ass elephant in the room. Why not hand over the property to the rrgcc? I think they have done a good job with limited funding.
