defy the laws deserves three stars
Ok,
Bear with me on this.
Why do the folks in south, ie Tn-NC, like the RRG so much?
Because it keeps all the northerners out of their backyard and in the Red. Fact.
Now most areas in Tn, and almost every area in NC have some nice staunch ethics.
If you don't like them (ethics), then stay home. That's what they say down there.
The Red, being where it is geographicly, draws a huge number of climbers and that number increases every year.
With the large number of climbers frequenting from many diferent areas of the mid-west, the RRG's "ethics" have faded away and are not so clear anymore. I see it all the time and so do you....whether it's large groups, dis-respectful people, destructing property, tramping vegetation, top-roping through anchors, etc...
I'm not sure if it's too late to reverse this, but I can't see where changing grades of routes, quality ratings, etc. through the internet can be of any benifit to the "ethics" of the RRG.
Kinda takes away the area "feel", if you know what I mean.
Then again, maybe it's already too late for that.
Just my opinion.
[idea thrown out to see where it might stick]
Bear with me on this.
Why do the folks in south, ie Tn-NC, like the RRG so much?
Because it keeps all the northerners out of their backyard and in the Red. Fact.
Now most areas in Tn, and almost every area in NC have some nice staunch ethics.
If you don't like them (ethics), then stay home. That's what they say down there.
The Red, being where it is geographicly, draws a huge number of climbers and that number increases every year.
With the large number of climbers frequenting from many diferent areas of the mid-west, the RRG's "ethics" have faded away and are not so clear anymore. I see it all the time and so do you....whether it's large groups, dis-respectful people, destructing property, tramping vegetation, top-roping through anchors, etc...
I'm not sure if it's too late to reverse this, but I can't see where changing grades of routes, quality ratings, etc. through the internet can be of any benifit to the "ethics" of the RRG.
Kinda takes away the area "feel", if you know what I mean.
Then again, maybe it's already too late for that.
Just my opinion.
[idea thrown out to see where it might stick]
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Well just for the record, i really do believe that defy deserves 3 stars. Most of the people i hang seem to agree with me. I wasn't saying this to cause trouble or mess with ethics but just becuase i though it deserved that extra star. It is also one of the only routes that i feel would benefit from adjusting.
But I will tell you what. I will give it another go this fall. After traveling and climbing around the country nonstop for the last year, we will see if it still holds it's own in my eyes.
Oh an a five star system is not uncommon. I run across it in alot of guidebooks. I have found four or five stars systems to work better than three. But at the same time i don't think it would be worth the work it would take at this point.
But I will tell you what. I will give it another go this fall. After traveling and climbing around the country nonstop for the last year, we will see if it still holds it's own in my eyes.
Oh an a five star system is not uncommon. I run across it in alot of guidebooks. I have found four or five stars systems to work better than three. But at the same time i don't think it would be worth the work it would take at this point.
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Hey, this is a relational database we are talking about not dogmatic print. we could have two ratings.
The first would be the established star system.
The second would consists of the votes of people who have climbed it. They could rate it on a 5 star system and a script would just take the average of all the people who rated it. That would be sweet.
it would be interesting to see how the public perception as a whole differs from the original rating.
The first would be the established star system.
The second would consists of the votes of people who have climbed it. They could rate it on a 5 star system and a script would just take the average of all the people who rated it. That would be sweet.
it would be interesting to see how the public perception as a whole differs from the original rating.
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Merrick, that is a brilliant idea! Care to implement it? We could add it to the spray form. I think it would be important to make our votes updateable, too, since our own opinions could change over time for various reasons. Eventually perhaps the 5 star consensus ratings could replace the existing 3 star ratings - which as you know would take forever to redo manually and would, of course, be completely subjective as well.
Artsay, heh, I was wondering the same thing.
Artsay, heh, I was wondering the same thing.
Boy you people really have a lot of time on your hands to debate the whole star rating thing. I say we do away with the whole freakin' star system. If you can't walk up to a route and see if it looks like its worth your time to do, then what the heck are you doing out climbing? I've done many one and no star routes and had a good time (not that they were good routes) and I've done a couple of 3 star routes and wondered how they heck they got three stars. I think that after you've climbing at an area long enough stars don't really matter, and this debate proves it. What is 3 stars to one might only be 2 stars to another.
I see they are still lopping off mountains in Eastern Kentucky. Electricity isn't cheap.