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Pigsteak, you still haven't responded to the two statements, and, I reckon you haven't taken even a couple of minutes to check out one of the videos. 2:06 or 6:02, it won't take hardly any time at all.

"Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance." Albert Einstein

You can't go from base camp to the summit in one step, my friend. It takes many, many steps to reach the summit. I'm just trying to get you out of the tent at base camp. What may seem completely ridiculous at one moment in time, with little or no knowledge/experience, may seem completely feasible at another time with more knowledge/experience. People said it was impossible for us to fly, then came the Wright brothers. Then they said we'd never break the sound barrier, and along came Chuck Yeager. Then they said we'd never go into space...

I'll make you a deal. If you watch those videos and see nothing wrong, I'll buy you a case of your favorite beer. If you watch them and do find something wrong, you don't owe me anything. Deal?

EricDorsey wrote:It is just a WAY to elaborate scheme for our government to pull off. They can hardly do anything right yet you think they can come up with a scheme involving hundreds of people and not one of them has talked, you are giving them to much credit. And now you are saying bin laden really died in 2001? hahaha you are a nut.

Usually the simplest answer is the correct one.

LOL! Yeah right... can't do anything right, can't catch anyone... Give it a shot! Try breaking some serious laws, rob a bank or something; try cheating on your taxes, see how "inept" our emerging police state is. Cameras all over the place, satellite tracking, finger prints, retina scans, biometrics, DNA, monitoring and tracing phone calls and emails, and they can't catch anyone, even if they really want to. The "inept" perception is a dodge, a scam. Sure, they screw up once in awhile just like anyone else. Heck, they announced that Building 7 came down before it did. You can see it still standing behind the reporters as they're telling you it has just collapsed. (Have you even heard of Building 7 before? Do you know that 3 buildings came down on that day?)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1LetB0z ... /?id=20521 1:59 CNN (It's on the right in the tight shot)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mxFRigY ... re=related BBC (Arrow points out WTC 7 at 1:20)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrEl4Lxok0Y FOX (Feed isn't cut, as it was for the BBC, and you see the building come down as they are talking)

First responders heard a countdown. Do fires and a gravitational collapse employ countdowns? You are exactly right about the simplest answer. It's called Occam's razor. Apply it to 9/11 EVIDENCE, not what you have been told about 9/11 by a bunch of liars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD5tyjiH ... re=related

There are good people and bad people everywhere, in every walk of life, in every religion, of every nationality, of every race, etc. There are good people in our government and military and intelligence agencies who have spoken out. Even the people who participated in the coverup have said, in print, that they were "lied to", "stonewalled", and "set up to fail". Family members had to fight like hell to get any investigation at all, which turned out to be not an investigation, but a cover-up. They spent 10 times more on Clinton's blow job than they initially allocated for the 9/11 Omission Commission. What's up with that?

If you won't listen to me, listen to the first responders and firefighters, who are dying like flies because the EPA said "The air is safe to breathe." We spend more in 6 hours in Iraq than the sick and dying first responders asked for for health care when they were turned down.

http://firefightersfor911truth.org/

LK Day wrote:I never thought for a second that I might convince you of the folly of your truther beliefs. I did think it might be kind of fun to encourage you to expound on your crazy-assed conspiracy theories. Your last post was pretty out there. Thanks.

But one last thing. If you were capable of any kind of rational thought you'd realize that if there had actually been this vast conspiracy, one hatched by an all-powerful government/business alliance, one that was capable of actually pulling off what you claim they pulled off, they'd simply eliminate you, along with the other principle advocates of trutherism. It would be a piece of cake compared to what you claim they did.

They have killed a few of us, but we are legion

I'll provide links to some of the fallen, if you want them.

"Similarly, Air Force Colonel and key Pentagon official Karen Kwiatkowski - who blew the whistle on the Bush administration's efforts to concoct false intelligence about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction - wrote (page 26):
I have been told by reporters that they will not report their own insights or contrary evaluations of the official 9/11 story, because to question the government story about 9/11 is to question the very foundations of our entire modern belief system regarding our government, our country, and our way of life. To be charged with questioning these foundations is far more serious than being labeled a disgruntled conspiracy nut or anti-government traitor, or even being sidelined or marginalized within an academic, government service, or literary career. To question the official 9/11 story is simply and fundamentally revolutionary. In this way, of course, questioning the official story is also simply and fundamentally American."

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/06/ ... aniel.html

And this, my friends, is the disease that afflicts those lost souls wandering in the fever swamps of the far, far, far right wing.

Next thing you will be trying to say that God is real...

I dont need to watch your videos. I watched that loose change video when it first came out and then I watched the Nat Geo television show that pretty much destroyed the loose change video and every shred of "evidence" they presented in it. But I guess Nat Geo is in on it too right? Pretty much every piece of evidence from loose change I could tell was a bunch of bullshit right off the bat and Nat Geo just went on to confirm it. Have you seen that Nat Geo special, are they in on this scam too?

Truther,

You seem to want to hang your entire argument on the "official denial" of "molten metal" as if the presence of molten metal would prove your case. While the videos are incredibly dishonest and clearly designed to manipulate the beliefs of the not-too-bright among it's audience, they prove nothing that you say they do. To put it bluntly, the videos lie.

They show a still photo of a red hot I-beam of steel, and call it "molten" steel. It is impossible for molten steel to maintain the shape of an I-beam. Molten steel is a goddamned liquid.
They show a deformed piece of sheet metal draped over the end of a steel beam and say it was deposited there in a "molten" form. It clearly remains a piece of sheet metal, it was never liquified.
They offer up a porous hunk of fused debris that looks like a giant lava rock, describing it as sharp edged, brittle and breakable, as evidence of the presence of "pools of liquid steel" at the site. What the fuck?
They imply that Mr. Goss is lying when he says that he doubts the presence of "liquid steel" as steel melts at 2,700 deg.F, and the fires weren't that hot. They say that they have proof he is lying. Proof in the form of images from NASA showing temperatures in excess of the necessary temps for melting steel. When they get around to showing the NASA images, the highest temp. is 1,370 degrees F. Again, WTF?
They show what is almost certainly molten aluminum pouring from the scene of the plane crash and imply that that is molten steel.
You continue to use the terms "molten metal" and "molten steel" interchangeably, as if they are one and the same. They are not. I have no doubt that there were many tons of molten metal present at the scene of the trade center attack. Both aluminum and copper melt at temperatures below 1,370 degrees F. There would have been many tons of copper and aluminum present in the buildings and in the airplanes.
They show a fireman talking about the presence of "red hot molten steel" flowing in the wreckage of the trade centers. I would suggest that the largest pool of molten steel the firefighter has ever seen is the bead of a weld, and he is unlikely to be able to tell the difference between any molten metals.

I saw no "official denial of molten metal" in either of the videos. I did see Mr. Gross deny the existence of "molten steel".

I don't know if you're a liar or simply deranged, but I do know that the very idea that something like 30% of Americans have been bamboozled by the likes of people like you is very disturbing. People need to know the truth, and what you're peddling is a shit-pile of lies. You should be ashamed of yourself.

truthmiracle wrote:Pigsteak, you still haven't responded to the two statements, and, I reckon you haven't taken even a couple of minutes to check out one of the videos. 2:06 or 6:02, it won't take hardly any time at all.

2:06 or 6:02!!!! The answer is right there, forwards and backwards, I totally get it now! I feel liberated. I think I'm going to go into politics or join the circus, I can't decide which. What a great day!

EricDorsey wrote:I dont need to watch your videos. I watched that loose change video when it first came out and then I watched the Nat Geo television show that pretty much destroyed the loose change video and every shred of "evidence" they presented in it. But I guess Nat Geo is in on it too right? Pretty much every piece of evidence from loose change I could tell was a bunch of bullshit right off the bat and Nat Geo just went on to confirm it. Have you seen that Nat Geo special, are they in on this scam too?

AWESOME! I think it was a National Geo special that had the great segment of the pancake collapse... there's been a few attempts at cover up, by various entities, so I loose track a bit. No doubt, there's a ton of great people at National Geo. I've been a fan for a long time. So, it's been hard to see them forced to be on the wrong side. Must be pissing a lot of people over there off, royally. Been a big disappointment to us also. I think the show you're talking about was a later one, just last year or sometime in recent history, and the one I'm thinking of was an earlier one, before AE911Truth even formed. Examining these things is a good way to expose the cover up techniques, what was left out, how things are glossed over, etc. If you'd like to go there, I'd be happy to dissect it with you.

The pancake collapse theory, like most of the official account of what happened, is defied by the evidence. In this case, the lack of pancakes at the bottom. No stacks of floors for were left behind. But, the really killer kicker in this case is the core columns. They actually disappear from the National Geo clip, after they had just discussed the construction of the building, as soon as they start the pancake collapse sequence. They had to make them go away from the animation, because, in real life, they should have still been there, if the account were accurate. If all the floors had pancaked, what happened to the core columns? They would have still been standing. If the floors had fallen like a stack of old vinyl records on a turn table, the spindle would still be there. (The spindle represents the core columns and the records the floors in this example.)