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Re: Effin Healthcare
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:28 pm
by the lurkist
pigsteak wrote:mike_a_lafontaine wrote:No it is not, because all physicians educated in this country take the Hippocratic oath, which if it means anything to them, they are swearing to treat any and all patients to the best of their ability regardless of compensation. Thus it becomes their duty to provide care, making it an entitled right to anyone who seeks their assistance.
what pig said.
Re: Effin Healthcare
Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:56 pm
by dustonian
Rotarypwr345704 wrote:Couldn't agree with you more. All doctors and nurses I've worked with have legitimately cared about the well-being of the patients first and foremost. I work for a private practice and he has absolutely no idea what he gets paid for anything that he does. And he set it up that way from day one. But there is one hospital in town here that has laid off some 400 jobs all while the CEO's salary went from 1.1 million a year to 1.6 million a year. Oh, did I mention that the BOD who could actually step in and not allow this to happen also happened to get raises somewhere in the ballpark of $300,000 year/per person? You wanna lower healthcare cost get rid of the Suits and Lawyers.
+1 zillion
Re: Effin Healthcare
Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:48 am
by clif
dollyjn
as someone who emphasizes knowing how the business works perhaps you would enjoy "Deadly Spin" by Wendell Potter.
i would also enjoy knowing your response to the book.
Re: Effin Healthcare
Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 3:47 am
by Rotarypwr345704
mike_a_lafontaine wrote:No it is not, because all physicians educated in this country take the Hippocratic oath, which if it means anything to them, they are swearing to treat any and all patients to the best of their ability regardless of compensation. Thus it becomes their duty to provide care, making it an entitled right to anyone who seeks their assistance.
Ehhh. Not so much. Any doctor has the RIGHT to refuse service. To anyone. For any reason. They can choose not to act and not be held accountable. But, if they do decide to act then they are held accountable to this oath. But just because you take the hippocratic oath does not mandate that you actually perform any sort of medical treatment. Thus, it is NOT a right.
Re: Effin Healthcare
Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:03 pm
by toad857
Seems to me that if we truly do live in the "greatest country in the world" (reference: every god damn politician for the past 50 years), then basic health care should be one of those things that are included (along with police, fire department, schools, roads, etc.).
Re: Effin Healthcare
Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:37 pm
by the lurkist
Healthcare- a right or a priviledge?
I wish we did have a socialize delivery of medicine, where everyone had an obligate competent primary care doc who acted as a gate keeper, treating 80-85% of illness and triaging the other 15-20% on up the chain to involve more speicalized and expensive care. If we had a broad base of well trained primary care docs and also had stout tort reform to reign in the attorneys and protect docs practicing conscientiously and with all due diligence, and had a realistic approach to end of life care we could slash health care expenditures to less than half of what we spend now.
God, give us a leader who will lead us...
Re: Effin Healthcare
Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:07 pm
by dustonian
Right on Lurk. What are the odds though? I'm afraid too many would-be idealists have already given up. We're mired in a culture of hostile selfishness on one end and defeated cynicism on the other.
Re: Effin Healthcare
Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:19 pm
by the lurkist
I am of the defeated cynicism ilk.
Re: Effin Healthcare
Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:20 pm
by toad857
dustonian wrote:We're mired in a culture of hostile selfishness on one end and defeated cynicism on the other.
well put
Re: Effin Healthcare
Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:31 pm
by dustonian
See?! And Lurk is precisely the kind of guy we need to actually repair this necrotic system. Instead we have vacuous douchebags like Rand Paul in charge! Ha he ha ugggh... we're fucked.