OK so most people know where I stand about dogs at the cliff so my defence of Maine's position is no surprise. The dog owner suck and were in the wrong.
BUT!!!
Question? Is there a leash rule on RRGCC land? If not then Maine you just have no ground here? You stated that you have been climbing at the red for many years so you have to know that packs of dogs runnning amuck at the red is common place these days. This is the year 2009 in America and so most people don't have any common sense or good manners as Charlie put it. Why didn't you consider that dogs could run up on your baby? See this would be different if the dog owers were breaking a rule then you would have something to bitch about. I am sure it was pretty scary to see your baby almost get hurt by dogs but you really have no excuse for at least considering it could have happened.
I think what bothers me the most these days is that climber become dog owners without considering what it will take to care for them. Why would any 20 something climber who is sold out to climbing and spends most of their free time climbing choose to own a dog - that just doesn't make sense to me. What are you guys going to do when your cute little doggy that you take climbing every weekend becomes that old feeble dog with special needs, you gonna stay home more to care for it - or maybe just trade it in for a new one. You cry about how you have to take the dog climbing with you every weekend because you can't leave it at home. Did someone force you to have a dog? I have made tons of choices in my life that considered my life as a climber/traveler, owing a house, dog, fancy sports car, etc, they just didn't fit my lifestyle. Sorry this rant isn't about you steep4me, its about all the people who complain about how they can't leave their dog at home when they should have considered that before getting that cute little puppy.
Yet Another Post about Dogs
Someone correct me if I'm wrong... I think the rule is "On a leash or under control at all times". Clearly the dogs in question at Drive By weren't under control. If the owners corrected the problem after it happened (even if they didn't respond quickly enough according to some) would fit the "under control" clause IMO.rhunt wrote:Question? Is there a leash rule on RRGCC land?
First, I'm 41 with a real job and multiple interests. The reason I choose to have a dog is that I enjoy having her. I spend more days of the year not climbing than I do other things. I climb every weekend in April, May, Sept, Oct. The rest of the time, our dog runs trails with my husband or goes mountainbiking with me. When our last dog was old, she still came to the cliff and was mellow. Not to mention that dogs and sport climbing go together fine, except for people who don't like dogs. I am not annoyed by dogs at the crag at all. So...there is no reason not to have a dog--she makes my life better. I just asked the question to tailor my behavior for the non-dog people. Maybe I will invest in a shock collar--that was the most productive thing anyone has suggested so far.rhunt wrote:OK
Steep4me - I think what bothers me the most these days is that climber become dog owners without considering what it will take to care for them. Why would any 20 something climber who is sold out to climbing and spends most of their free time climbing choose to own a dog
its about all the people who complain about how they can't leave their dog at home when they should have considered that before getting that cute little puppy.
Hauling a big ego up a route adds at least a full grade.
I have to say steep...the first few times we put the shock collar on River, it freaked him out. that broke my heart to see him so , er, shocked. but now, he just gives me the sad puppy eyes, and wears it. he knows when it is coming out, and is happy when it is off.
the more I read the defense of dogs on here, the more embarassed I am to be a dog owner. our entitlement to climb where/when we want spills over into our entitlement to subject others to our pets.
let me quote the great pigsteak.."no one loves your dog like you do. no one."
the more I read the defense of dogs on here, the more embarassed I am to be a dog owner. our entitlement to climb where/when we want spills over into our entitlement to subject others to our pets.
let me quote the great pigsteak.."no one loves your dog like you do. no one."
Positive vibes brah...positive vibes.
steep4me, you conveniently left out where I said my above post/rant was not about you. I have edited it to make that clearer.
Don't assume I hate dogs - most people assume I do because of my stance on dogs at the crag, but that's just not the case. It's no secrete that dogs and their irresponsible owners have put access at risk at the Red...torrent and muir. Dogs are a problem at just about every trendly climbing/bouldering areas in the country...HP40. So never mind my personal agenda about dogs at the cliff lets look at the bigger picture and imagine what the future climbing access struggles will be. Just imagine as the red get more and more bolted and more and more popular with more and more climbers who insist on having a "crag dog" like its a piece of pro on their rack. The RRGCC, who by the way I do not speak for, is trying to have a hands off approach when i comes to managing the PMRP, a very smart idea, I hope dogs don't force them to change that.
Oh and yeah Pigsteak is an excellent example of someone who goes way out of his way to make sure his dogs are under control at the cliff. Pigsteak, maybe you can start your own line of bark collars and sell them at Miggies - that together with my doggie sitting buisness and we might be able to quite our day jobs.
Don't assume I hate dogs - most people assume I do because of my stance on dogs at the crag, but that's just not the case. It's no secrete that dogs and their irresponsible owners have put access at risk at the Red...torrent and muir. Dogs are a problem at just about every trendly climbing/bouldering areas in the country...HP40. So never mind my personal agenda about dogs at the cliff lets look at the bigger picture and imagine what the future climbing access struggles will be. Just imagine as the red get more and more bolted and more and more popular with more and more climbers who insist on having a "crag dog" like its a piece of pro on their rack. The RRGCC, who by the way I do not speak for, is trying to have a hands off approach when i comes to managing the PMRP, a very smart idea, I hope dogs don't force them to change that.
Oh and yeah Pigsteak is an excellent example of someone who goes way out of his way to make sure his dogs are under control at the cliff. Pigsteak, maybe you can start your own line of bark collars and sell them at Miggies - that together with my doggie sitting buisness and we might be able to quite our day jobs.
"Climbing is the spice, not the meal." ~ Lurkist
ATTENTION PUSSIES!!!!
Michelle and I always have our dogs unleashed at the crag. If you feel it is inappropriate then please come up to us personally and let us know. Reading it on here won't change our minds. Where are your balls? I know some of you are saying here that you hate it but you have never told us. Are you afraid of Michelle?
Michelle and I always have our dogs unleashed at the crag. If you feel it is inappropriate then please come up to us personally and let us know. Reading it on here won't change our minds. Where are your balls? I know some of you are saying here that you hate it but you have never told us. Are you afraid of Michelle?
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