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To me if you go to the gym to Train you are in the wrong frame of mind. If you are going to train you are automatically in a frame of mind that is critical of your movements and how you preform during your visit. Going to the gym to climb enables a climber to fully enjoy the experience no matter how they climb during that day. Even a bad day of climbing should be an enjoyable experience that we gain something from.

I agree however that the gym is the place to iron out the kinks and push us to our limits. It is the controlled space where the gear is or should be take care of, and we can test ourselves, but it should still be climbing. Every time a climbers hand touches a hold, be it real or fake, no matter how many times you have done the same hand jam, or preformed the same mantel it is an experience that in the gym or out on the rock we should gain something from as a climber.

For me it is the climbing experience that draws me to the crag, not the I need to train mentality. If I felt needed to train, climbing would not be enjoyable and it would feel like work.

It's fine if you want to go to the gym for recreation. I'm sure that many people see gains for a while just by touching hand to hold.

For me, the real rock is where it's at, and indoor climbing/training fills the gaps and helps me acheive my climbing goals. And, yes, I am trying to improve in performance.

You just think* training is the wrong mindset because you go in to the gym to have fun and climb. Other people get psyched by training via specific drills, route laps, exercises, etc.

Last night I did some cardio and a weight lifting routing. I was training, ultimately for the purpose of climbing harder. Was it fun, kind of, actually, but not as fun as climbing.

When you see it pay off outside, it's definitely worth it.

I agree that there's a point in which you have to work & train so hard that you could get burnt out. But still, that's all in how you approach training and your attitude.

(* edit - spell correction)

Webbman09 wrote:To me if you go to the gym to Train you are in the wrong frame of mind. If you are going to train you are automatically in a frame of mind that is critical of your movements and how you preform during your visit. Going to the gym to climb enables a climber to fully enjoy the experience no matter how they climb during that day. Even a bad day of climbing should be an enjoyable experience that we gain something from.

I agree however that the gym is the place to iron out the kinks and push us to our limits. It is the controlled space where the gear is or should be take care of, and we can test ourselves, but it should still be climbing. Every time a climbers hand touches a hold, be it real or fake, no matter how many times you have done the same hand jam, or preformed the same mantel it is an experience that in the gym or out on the rock we should gain something from as a climber.

For me it is the climbing experience that draws me to the crag, not the I need to train mentality. If I felt needed to train, climbing would not be enjoyable and it would feel like work.

Webbman09 wrote:To me if you go to the gym to Train you are in the wrong frame of mind.

Good luck with that.

Webbman09 wrote:To me if you go to the gym to Train you are in the wrong frame of mind. If you are going to train you are automatically in a frame of mind that is critical of your movements and how you preform during your visit. Going to the gym to climb enables a climber to fully enjoy the experience no matter how they climb during that day. Even a bad day of climbing should be an enjoyable experience that we gain something from.

I agree however that the gym is the place to iron out the kinks and push us to our limits. It is the controlled space where the gear is or should be take care of, and we can test ourselves, but it should still be climbing. Every time a climbers hand touches a hold, be it real or fake, no matter how many times you have done the same hand jam, or preformed the same mantel it is an experience that in the gym or out on the rock we should gain something from as a climber.

For me it is the climbing experience that draws me to the crag, not the I need to train mentality. If I felt needed to train, climbing would not be enjoyable and it would feel like work.

Terrible poast.

Training isn't supposed to be fun. Its supposed to make you climb better, which for many equals more fun when you are on the rock.

Climbing in a gym or outside is just for fun...and I have lots of it

agreed

I really prefer setting the routes for you all to climb and/or train on. Climbing on anything is fun though, I don't see any reason to get super serious about it.

Webbman09 wrote:To me if you go to the gym to Train you are in the wrong frame of mind. If you are going to train you are automatically in a frame of mind that is critical of your movements and how you preform during your visit. Going to the gym to climb enables a climber to fully enjoy the experience no matter how they climb during that day. Even a bad day of climbing should be an enjoyable experience that we gain something from.

I agree however that the gym is the place to iron out the kinks and push us to our limits. It is the controlled space where the gear is or should be take care of, and we can test ourselves, but it should still be climbing. Every time a climbers hand touches a hold, be it real or fake, no matter how many times you have done the same hand jam, or preformed the same mantel it is an experience that in the gym or out on the rock we should gain something from as a climber.

For me it is the climbing experience that draws me to the crag, not the I need to train mentality. If I felt needed to train, climbing would not be enjoyable and it would feel like work.

I don't fully understand. Are you a hold shaper? I almost thought you were a shape shifter, since you keep talking about "preforming". I'd be psyched if I could "preform". I certainly wouldn't train. I'd just be like "Odub... in the form of Greg Kerzhner" on the day I wanted to go do Bohica. Or maybe "Odub... in the form of Sandman", if I wanted to go do Twinkie on trad gear. Preforming sounds cool. Will you teach me?

dhuff wrote:I really prefer setting the routes for you all to climb and/or train on. Climbing on anything is fun though, I don't see any reason to get super serious about it.

Dhuff, don't let me catch you with a smile on your face ever again! This climbing stuff is all serious all the time. Theres no fun in climbing! WTF????

Watch it man, otherwise some loose holds might start magically appearing on those lap routes...