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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:35 pm
by Brentucky
if you can work a 12d then you can probably climb a 10a trad without falling, so don't eliminate them from you list. oh wait, wrong forum!

Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:18 am
by Izzy
If there really is a 12d thats easier than a 12a then why waste my time with all the 12a's? I could just go rack up the points for that 12d by onsighting it, right pigsteak?

Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 7:12 pm
by RRO
Izzy wrote:If there really is a 12d thats easier than a 12a then why waste my time with all the 12a's? I could just go rack up the points for that 12d by onsighting it, right pigsteak?
now your thinking like a true sport climber, its all about the points baby

Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 8:19 pm
by pigsteak
izzy, you got it..points, baby, points.

and if you onsight or flash it, always rave about how cool the line is in the online forum. and give it 5 stars.

Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:18 pm
by AZTED
do your self a favor and do Bare metal teen...this is the 12a that all 12a should be judged from...then when you send this you can do all others.

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 4:47 pm
by hoss
Papa Love Jugs - guidebook says 11.D. Felt about right, maybe soft 12 after I broke off one of the crux holds. Either way, stellar route, candidate for ATF.

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 5:29 pm
by Andrew
11d has better routes than 12a.

Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 5:23 am
by Izzy
Yeah, it seems that there are more 4 and 5 star 11d's.

Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:29 am
by pawilkes
I think there is a way to do Papa w/o the broken off undercling that is still 11d. if you are chasing numbers, get on Magnum Opus, its 12b in the guide but more like 11d+/12a with multiple sit down rests and its mostly 10c

Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 12:23 am
by pawilkes
Far From God is soft for 12b, might be soft for 12a if you use all the rests, really nice route though.