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Alright, check it out brian- here's what I said:

Being a 5.x climber (Ie, solid on any type of ground) is only an IMPORTANT (key word) distinction if you are climbing something dangerous.

IT's (being a 5.x climber) just for show if its clipping (safe routes)
Meaning that calling yourself a 5.x climber when you only clip -is to show abilities, not to make an IMPORTANT distinction. (ie, are you getting into dangerous territory? heading off on a dangerous lead?)

I can undesrtand what you're saying, I just think that is bull****. An ability or distinction, I think that is the same thing.
I think you are making your own distinction to feel superior or something.

Superior? who are you kidding? Number of extremely dangerous route climbed by me = 0. Number of 5.12's climbed by me = 0. number of long routes done by me = 0. If I have not done any of those things, why would I say what I did? to make myself feel superior? How the heck would it make me feel superior to call myself limited?

Then how is "clippin' just for show" if you wouldn't know?

thank you Artsay. I don't care what level of sport somebody climbs. But it must take some distinction to lead at any level. If you, 88keys, were trying to make a distinction between sport and trad I think you failed miserably.

Lets try this again, for those who are a little crabby today.

If you are climbing safe routes, calling yourself 5.x is to show ability, (parhaps so you can find the right partner, decide what to do for the day, whatever), not to KEEP YOU ALIVE.

For a motherFin example.

(at base of safe climb, sport or trad)
'hmmm, jonny, should I go up dis here crack? I all the squeezers for it! but wait! I'm only a 5.x climber and this is a 5.y'
'sound like a good idea bob. don't worry, you can fall and still live. It dont matter.'

OR

(at base of climb of unknown difficulty or extreme length or extreme danger)
' hmm, jonny, shoud I go up dis here thing? I got all the squeezers for it! I'm a 5.x climber, but this is a 5.y'

'sound like a bad plan bob. the runout is really long, and if you ain't solid on it, you might hurt yourself'

If that dont make sense, your just jaded.

It has nothing to do with sport or trad.

Artsay, sorry, you also misunderstood.

I did not say:
Sport climbing is Gay, its only for show.


Re-Read without jaded anti-pete goggles.

/edit for backpedal

i can't figure out what this thread is about?

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