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anticlmber wrote:if you throw yourself at one thing obsessivley enough, you'll do it. - anon

word wes, word. thats exactly what i think for epic projectors. i did this super hard route (after three months of constant ffort and bitching) but i can't onsite this route thhe boyscouts climb.

dude, that image pretty much sums up my life -- but what can one do?

On person's focused desire is another's attention deficit disorder.

dbrayack wrote:I've always considered routes at the red to be easier to Red Point

and

dbrayack wrote:Routes at the red are MUCh easier to onsite.

????

From your posts I guess you where saying "compared to the New" This probably doesn't pertain to RP VS Onsight. This might be a "you are good at endurance thing or you might be better at steeper rock than face climbing thing."

anticlmber wrote:word wes, word. thats exactly what i think for epic projectors. i did this super hard route but i can't onsite this route thhe boyscouts climb.

You must be speaking to the 3 persons out of 34 who had a greater than 1 whole number grade difference.

Will you three please step forward?

First of all I would like to say Anticlimber hates you. Don't worry about it he hates everyone, including himself.

Second I would like to know the RP and Onsight Routes. Nothing to be ashamed of here, just want to know for the record.

SCIN wrote:I've never fallen on so many lower grade routes than I did in Wild Iris.

Not to throw you under the bus or anything SCIN. But how low are we talking here? 10's 11's 12's wait a minute don't tell me you fell on a 9.

[quote="JR"]I have heard that a well rounded climber will have a full grade between your best onsight versus highest redpoint. [quote]

i think i'm missing something. i always felt that a "well rounded climber" would climb sport, trad, and boulder equally well.

i'm not sure how you can define the "well rounded climber" by whether or not there is a full letter grade between her onsights/redpoints. this idea seems to suppose that all grades are equal - nothing is soft and nothing is sandbagged.

it seems to me that if someone is "well rounded" their onsights/redpoints would be closer together. that would indicate that their skillz at reading the rock are as good as their ability to work the route.

not that i'm a well-rounded climber by any defination

Josephine wrote: i always felt that a "well rounded climber" would climb sport, trad, and boulder equally well.

Me too.

Josephine wrote: i'm not sure how you can define the "well rounded climber" by whether or not there is a full letter grade between her onsights/redpoints.

I don't.

Josephine wrote: it seems to me that if someone is "well rounded" their onsights/redpoints would be closer together.

The poll shows that most climbers at the Red are indeed closer. Me included.

but y'all are showing your bias....wouldn't this well rounded climber also ice climb, pull hard on plastic, be great in the mountains, etc....