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YES.

so piggie next time you have a beer or two before driving back to lexington and get arrested for a DUI you deserve to be beaten before you go to jail?

You really should think about building a bomb shelter Alan and just sit out the next hundred years or so. You aren't gonna be able to handle it when all your doomsday prophesies happen.

This bill cannot be applied to us citizens as written, although it does make you wonder how you prove you're a us citizen when they won't let any normal court hear your case.

All it does is create a process for dealing with the people that we already have been dealing with anyway....I am inclined to think that it may actually improve conditions for many of these people.

The hypocrisy in the way we deal with enemies is getting to be a bit much for me though. Saddam is on trial for genocide and torturing people. We've killed as many as him, and we've tortured plenty as well (unless you think the secret prisons over seas are run by really nice guys).

But I don't want to ramble too much. The bill as it stands seems fairly reasonable on its own, but I fear it will just be a precedent for more new laws which will be even more difficult to stomach. But the govt has to protect us from the terrorists right???

We have to make democracy safe for the people but who's making the people safe for democracy?

Holy Crap!! Unbelievable! Congressman Steve Chabot just knocked on my door,shook my hand and gave me some cheapo tumblers. Didn't even ask for my vote. Must be a tough race for him.

ynot wrote:You really should think about building a bomb shelter Alan and just sit out the next hundred years or so. You aren't gonna be able to handle it when all your doomsday prophesies happen.

I'm hoping that by fighting against my prophesies I keep them from happening. On the flipside I am a damned good shot with a rifle so I'm prepared for the zombies.

Oh, and pigsteak doesn't only deserve to be beaten on the way to jail, he wants to be beaten. And then after he gets thrown in his cell he begins praying out loud to be sodomized with the nearest large, blunt object, y'know, to pay for his sins.

gbarnett wrote:This bill cannot be applied to us citizens as written, although it does make you wonder how you prove you're a us citizen when they won't let any normal court hear your case.

Bingo. How can people be confused about the importance of habeas corpus. "You ain't gettin no trial cuz youz a terrorist. Whadda ya mean 'prove you're a terrorist'. Youz a terrorist cuz I say you iz! Besides, youz in my sekrit prizon fer bein a terrorist! And cuz youz a terrorist, youz ain't gettin no trial!" It's kind of amazing that a bunch Dark Ages English goofballs figured all this out back in 1215 - about eight hundred years ago, and we seem to be so confused it.

All it does is create a process for dealing with the people that we already have been dealing with anyway....I am inclined to think that it may actually improve conditions for many of these people.

The hypocrisy in the way we deal with enemies is getting to be a bit much for me though. Saddam is on trial for genocide and torturing people. We've killed as many as him, and we've tortured plenty as well (unless you think the secret prisons over seas are run by really nice guys).

But I don't want to ramble too much. The bill as it stands seems fairly reasonable on its own, but I fear it will just be a precedent for more new laws which will be even more difficult to stomach. But the govt has to protect us from the terrorists right???

"fairly reasonable"?!? You just pointed out in your first sentence how fundamentally screwed up the whole thing is.

Like it or not, the US is (was?) a signatory to the Third Geneva Convention, which governs the treatment of prisoners of war. All this crap about "enemy combatants" and "unlawful combatants" is basically hooey - the terms do not exist in the Geneva Convention.

In regards to the 'tribunals' that this bill enables, those are crap too under the Geneva Conventions. In the Fourth, to which the US is (was?) a signatory, even those people who do not qualify as full "prisoners of war" are entitled to be "treated with humanity and, in case of trial, shall not be deprived of the rights of fair and regular trial". The kangaroo courts that have been suggested by this bill are clearly not "fair and regular" courts - particularly if evidence gained through torture is admissible.

gbarnett, don't you get how much this damages the US?

Isn't the U.S. supposed to take the moral high ground. Lead and the rest will follow.

I sure hope the rest of the developed world doesn't follow our lead.

What if I ran my classroom like this?

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ynot wrote: On the flipside I am a damned good shot with a rifle so I'm prepared for the zombies.

See Alan we totally agree on this one, I have been secretly preparing for the coming of the dead.

"When theres no more room in Hell, the dead shall walk the earth"

I figure when Shrub, Rumsy, and Cheney fill the quota, when they're plane crashes or angry protesters torch they're houses, the dead will start flowing in.....And I'll be ready, meet me at my place when you see the news headlines of they're demise HA! HA!