THANKS and Perma Draw Poll

Post by **Andrew** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:03 am

I really hate the way chains look.

Post by **Yasmeen** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:05 am

Then we'll wrap webbing around the chains, Andrew. Problem solved.

Post by **ReachHigh** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:12 am

Chain Cozeys

Post by **chriss** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:12 am

The routes at the Solar collector are fairly easy to clean. Something at the darkside would get my vote.

Post by **goodguy** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:31 am

I don't like the way chain looks either, but I still install it for the longevity. I use transport chain which has a kind of gold tint to it and resists rusting much better than anything else I've seen on routes.

Post by **RRO** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:44 am

chain does have its place on some routes. esp where a bolt has been placed and the draw rubs the rock. zack had a draw wear almost thru on skin boat, around the 4th bolt, in no time. places like that i think need chain but if no rub, no or little sun i would rather see neutral colored webbing.

Post by **mcrib** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:14 pm

If people are scared to take a lead fall on a piece of webbing hanging on a route with permadraws then change it out. Its a simple solution to a simple problem. Don't hang there and say "I don't know dude it looks sketchy." Just take a runner off one of your draws and switch it out. What do the cost five bucks?

Post by **Green3** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:26 pm

The first draw of Shanghai at the Dark Side experiences crazy wear. Because of the ramp, the belayer stands so far out from the wall that there is a lot of friction on it. I pulled off a biner that was about 80% worn through (looks like you could snap it with your hands) and replaced it, but it wears quickly.

I'm sure the same could be said for the first bolt of Mama Benson, although it doesn't always have draws. (Shanghai usually does).

I guess you could just put steel biners on the current draws too...

Post by **michaelzr2** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:35 pm

The really steep routes at Bob Marley could use permanent draws for sure. Cleaning those routes absolutely sucks.

Post by **Andrew** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:11 pm

Its really weird, I would rather see a red two foot sling then a chain hanging. I say only use chains on the bolts that exposed to a lot of abuse, and only on steep routes.