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dude, its your route. put as many people down as you like. i list multiple people on my routes. people dont like it, let em do the above mentioned nasty work and have their own route. trad routes have been renamed once went free. i think if you let someone on your route they would let the developer name it. if someone poaches a route they are wankers and dont deserve a mention anywhere so its your to name.


drama make the world turn.

When did it happen that the FA gets to automatically name it?
I can think of instanceswhere a project remained opened for a
very long time and once it was opened and freed the name changed...but I think usually a route was named because the bolter had something going on in their life at the time or wanted to make a personal comment or social
statement while development was ongoing. Loose that and you loose some
of the historical flavor.

in the ceuse guidebook realization is named biographie.

weak sauce or not weak sauce?

maybe all paper route info, online guides and print guidebooks(sorry ray) should be banned. you could just walk thru the woods and see a line that looks cool, invest some time looking it over looking for the moves and features, thinking hard if its in your ability then getting on it just for pure shits and giggles. then at the chains you lower and repeat. at the campfire you talk about the moves on that one route, the run out on the other, the view from the top and the hard clip on another. without grades, without names, without egos everyone knows the route and you boune from here and there. maybe we should start a trend and just list directions to the area and let people figure it out from there.

RRO, Dude you just discribed where we are heading this weekend! Except for all that crap about that route stuff. PURE CLIMBING, BITCHES!

But then the campfire chatter would evolve into this move is definitely cooler than that move which is harder than that move, and that whole route sucked and I could have done it my slippers and PJs, and hey, maybe we should come up with a grading system?!

It's all personal. If you don't want to look at the book, don't look at the book. If you don't like the show, change the channel.

I need the guide to keep me from getting hurt. I look at hard routes today and think I could do that, until I get a couple of moves into it.

And I don't have enough time to just wander the woods (though that would be cool).

wes, dont forget the magic of the lake

PURE CLIMBING BITCHEZ is right!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ah, the lake....

we actaully tried that while living in bishop a few years ago and were completely surprised how ingrained grades were in the language of climbing. We could barely talk about climbing ourselves without grades and whenever we talked to others it was impossible:

Where is go granny go? > Over next the v4 on that big boulder
hey we are looking for some good v0s > Go up next to iron man and get on hero roof

Plus what you think about a route/problem is tied into it's difficulty. once you have heard the grade you are forever infected with the idea of it.

it is sort of like trying to think about all people as just people rather than male and female. awesome in concept, almost impossible in practice. you can say you do it but in reality you are just fooling yourself.

oh and PURE CLIMBING BITCHEZ!!!!!!!