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Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 9:43 pm
by the lurkist
Regardless of who puts up what route where- if the route is out there for public consumption, then it (the choice of line, the bolt placements, the hardware choices, the grade, etc...) is open to comment and criticism. If you don't want to hear people comment on your route (or cliff) then don't listen, or don't develope a route or a cliff.
Peer review is tried and true in this sport. Sometimes it takes ugly forms, but always it is there.
I have said for many years, the first thing a someone bolting a route needs to be able to do is take criticsim, and if it is valid, be humble enough to fix the problem.
I personally have had many of my routes fixed by other people or fixed them myself after it was brought up that it could have been done better.
No one is unassailable.
Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 10:23 pm
by ynot
Hmm I always wondered how many different factors made a line a classic. I never considered sustained as one. I thought it was about quality of movement and rock. I dont want to do the same move for 60 feet. If it's about quality then there should be instant classics. If it's about top 5 in the grade then OK. If its about a long standing conscensus thats Ok with me too. I know a great line when I'm on it.
Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 10:32 pm
by One-Fall
[quote="rhunt"]to me 'classic" means more when its a past tense term. and so I agree, its hard to say a route is classic when its only been bolted and "up" for about 2 years.
I see what you mean, rhunt, but what about All That Glitters? Its only been around for about a year and I believe most would consider it (as ynot says) an instant classic.
Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 1:49 am
by pigsteak
"instant classic"...oxymoron anyone?
I thougt "all that glitters" has only been around for like 9 weeks or something....or has it been there for thousands of years, thereby really being a very old classic?
Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 2:05 am
by CplBull
One could go nuts reading some of you people's comments...
Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 2:18 am
by Meadows
pigsteak, Classic means more than having some timely worth or value; it also means belonging to a high class or setting a standard.
Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 2:33 am
by der uber
when in rome.
Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 12:23 pm
by pigsteak
"high class"? pigsteak is definitely not eligible.....sigh....
Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 12:25 pm
by pigsteak
and to be a classic, doesn't it have to stand the test of time. if so, then it can't attain this status until proven by time...
or can a route fall from classic status?
Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 12:31 pm
by Meadows
The answer is what I posted before.
Ask Webster.