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mcrib says.....
I was under the impression that people were crossing the borders back into Iraq to shoot at Americans. It must be the false imprisonment and then torture of Iraqis that you are pointing to when you mention humanitarian aid

Funny that's the same leftwing news cast I heard on the Communist News Network last week, funny how those crossing the border and shooting at us are Jordinian,Syrian,Iranian,Saudi, etc. etc. Funny thing is that the Iraqis are taking the highest amount of casulties right now, are the insurgents just bad shots or are they trying to scare the Iraqi's into the Jihad that only they seem to want or believe in.

Spragwa states....
I truly don't believe he is intelligent. Perhaps an above average IQ but that's all.

However he is solo flight certified to make a carrier landing with only instruments, no visuals, computers and controls only, yeah, alot of people can do that.....

Spragwa says....
Don't forget, we invaded the Iraqis. And if you think it was for humanitarian purposes...then see the above quote.

Every time we have entered conflict we did it with the thought in mind on re-construction upon victory, we are now reconstructing while still in the fight.
Ask baby Nora's parents how much they hate us right now, or any of the kid's who aren't dying of diseases we have not worried about for 30 years, due to our innoculations. Granted they're would be alot less dead, maimed, and wounded over there if we would have ignored that mad man , but they were only as safe as Saddams next whim for they're well being or not so well being.

Spragwa say....
It really concerns me how many people feel that we should just "level the middle east and turn it into a parking lot with oil pumps.

Yeah me too, they tend to be the one's who believe we are headed for a race war or the new world order whichever come's first. You are too intelligent to even give this a second thought Sprag! These people are illiterate idiots who are lashing out, due to the helplessness they feel for this situation being out of they're control. We just had a Mosque bombed up here in Cincy, If I knew who did it, the bomber would have a real enemy!

As always just my 2cents.

Zspider wrote:I'm proud of the fact. I count the removal of Saddam from power as a great humanitarian act.

while i agree with this to some extent, i still hold issue with the way it was (un)planned and sold to us as a mission to eliminate wmd's and terrorism.

if bush said this was about stopping genocide, about helping an oppressed society, i'd be behind him. instead, these are now his fallback stances and they don't hold up. especially since we still refuse to remember genocide that happened elsewhere in the world, like africa. look at the crap powell got in when he said the 'g' word.

and if it was about wmd's and terrorism, why wasn't korea on our list?

Paul3eb wrote:and if it was about wmd's and terrorism, why wasn't korea on our list?

Because N Korea actually HAS wmd's.
And Seoul is a within artillery range. Not a good combination.

Iraq seemed an easy mark, and it was to an extent in the conventional sense.
What a bad wager that turned out to be.

Gunslnga don't have cable so I'm pretty sure that comes of the same nightly news cast everyone else is watching. This removal of a madman thing does not hold alot of water considering how many mad men we have supported. In Ghana 180,000 people have been killed in the last year alone yet the Bush administration has an "intelligence agreement" with the same government that is carrying out this genocidal killings. Humanitarian is not the word that comes to mind when I think of G. Bush and his arrogent and aggressive foreign policy. In anything its his wife that seems concerned with humantarianism.

mcrib said....
This removal of a madman thing does not hold alot of water considering how many mad men we have supported.

Mcrib, first I agree mostly with the intent of your statement, Bush lied, men died, why are we not doing anything about it? However I am coming at you from after the fact, I don't care how we got there , but what are we going to do with what weve got. I don't think we know each other, but I'm a Gulf war vet, and I'm not politcal unless it involves the direct welfare of soldiers or they're rights. I don't trust any of the media unless it's the Army Times, most of it's biased(left & right)
too many agendas. I trust the guy who's on the ground living it and feeling it. Soldiers on the whole don't have time for the luxury of politics or agenda's, your core beliefs are only needed to keep going when you read the paper, see it in e-mails, and read it in letters from home about you being a terrorist and baby killer. I heard it in the first one, my dad in Nam, and my younger brother in the current one. Right or wrong were they're and we need to take care, tread lightly , and get home with as little dead and damage as possible.
Good chat....
Gunslnga

also when we are on the ground in
Ghana, I'll have an opinion on it
then.

It was never my intention disrespect our troops. They endure things that no one should. That is why I am so opposed to war. No one, not even those who can, should endure the horrors of war. Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld have never been in combat but they are willing, I'd even say eager, to send others to their untimely deaths.

Thanks for you take gunslnga.

I never read disrespect in you statement, none at all.
people usually read/stereotype me as a right winger,
however I cosider myself a middle of the road moderate.
I will stand my ground when I think I'm right, but I also
admit when I'm wrong and try and educate myself on my
mistakes. I'll end with an old chineese proverb.

"when you are right you need not argue, when your wrong, STFU!!!!!!!!!!!

actually, mcrib, clinton was a fine president. he balanced the budget, he aligned nations. he pushed his agenda, and the people of the US eagerly followed him. that's what we want. a leader.

Mcrib says...
Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld have never been in combat but they are willing, I'd even say eager, to send others to their untimely deaths.

Again I agree, however lets not forget Slick Willies little indescretion in Somolia.
whether it's 19 dead Rangers or 2k troops, one dead soldier is too many.....