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pigsteak wrote:do you (or wife, kids, etc) have a cell phone?
cable TV? satellite?
more than one car in your family?
ever drink a beverage other than water?
think about owning and not renting? (cheaper at these interest rates)
you have internet service it seems. what's that...$30 a month?
how many times do you eat out a week? even McDonalds.

not trying to be a dick...just pointing out there are probably a hundred ways we all waste money..we percieve certain things as a necessity when they are not (cell phones and internet are NOT a necessity).

true in most cases but a few things: cell phones can help you save money if you lose the landline; owning might be cheaper in the long run but it still takes quite a bit to build up to the initial investment.. leaving you with no option other than to rent; internet can help you save money (that being said, you can often access it from a local library for free); eating out isn't necessarily more expensive, though it's the exception and not the rule.

unfortunately my earlier post got cut out because another page got added. as i said, though, it's not the people who are complaining that are the ones most affected, it's the people without voices that are getting hit the hardest. they don't (huggy and the rare few aside) have internet to make their crisis heard. and it's not just cars.. it's buses and public transportation.

and while i agree, there is good in this (eg: lowers demand, using less, stimulates alternative markets, encourages responsible use of resources, long term stuff..) this is going to hit the people who were already marginalized the hardest.

pigsteak wrote:cell phones and internet are NOT a necessity.

Depends on who you're talking to.
When you make your living as a web & graphic designer, the internet is necessary.

But that is neither here nor there. Just felt like arguing w/ the Piggy.

saw`gas on bardstownr rd in louisville back down to 2.89 - a new market price is being established. boycott as much as you can and it can pay off. park the 4wd for the weekend and get out the old, beat up civic - bike a little bit. if demand goes down, supply goes up and the market price goes down.

I for one am parking the Jeep this weekend. Riding with a friend to Chicago. Not my first choice of things to do (I'd rather be climbing) but the best one as far as burning fuel.

I wa really surprised to see gas here go to $3.10 for unleaded. We are usually reasonable here I thought.

$80 went into the van and that didn't even fill it (that was at $2.81/gal) We live in a great town to have a bike in...but have to go to Vegas to pick up my brother tomorrow...can't really do that on a bike. There is a shuttle he can take back next
week...$25 - definitely cheaper.

I just think this is crazy. Public transport, that's all I can say, public fucking transport. I lived in Europe for three years and god damn...I could spend so much more on beer because I wasn't buying gas.

The choices we make in life.

'Fixing' our dependency on oil is a little more complicated than simply utilizing our (presumably latent) technological capacity to do so. First of all, the technology is simply not there. While I understand the American psychological dependency on the promise of technology (its all we've got), in this case it is precariously propped up on hope. Let's take the case of hydrogen. While we do have the capacity to run vehicles on hydrogen, separating pure hydrogen from water or natural gas requires more energy than we get out of it in the end. Even if the input-output ratio was 1 to 1 (which it isn't), we still have the monumentous task of retro-fitting an enormous infrastructure designed for internal combustion engines. Retasking 100,000 gas stations will require an enormous amount of capital and energy (which is becoming more expensive). And what about the 450,000,000 cars? Consider this facet of the problem in conjunction with our stretched out, low density 'urban' living arrangements (which make public transport uneconomic), a global commodity market that depends on cheap transport costs, and a mono-cultured agro-industry that thrives on petroleum base pesticides and the problem becomes far more weighty than lost trips to the Red.

I built a gym in my garage.

tommy

for more information you may want to google search: peak oil

First of all, the technology is simply not there.

What is your basis for this comment? I tend to disagree with it. Even if there were a lack of technology relating to alternative fuels, I suspect we could come up with something in a fairly short time. Good grief, if we could put people on the moon in the 60s, surely we can come up with some cars that go a little farther than 20 to 30 miles per gallon or some other fuel sources.

$30.00 extra for gas
$2.00 per red bull X 3-4 (per day)
$6.50 per pitcher X several per night

Three days of bouldering in Boone under perfect skies and nice (if just a little bit warmer then prime) temps with very cool people - priceless. Really. This weekend was well worth being broke for the rest of this week, no doubt. Hope all of you that managed to make it out had a great time, and those of you that stayed at home, I hope you were able to enjoy it the best you could.

I was gona go to soIll but 3.19 is a fuckin crime! Slopers in the heat and humidity woulda been nice