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aaron · Post by **aaron** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 5:35 pm

i agree on the downclimbing to a rest idea, same thing as down climbing to the ground. what if you're 5 pitches off the deck and downclimb to the belay ledge? same as the ground or the same as fuzzies rest? i believe it is still an onsight but that's just me.

Post by **SikMonkey** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 5:37 pm

On the no hands rest, you are still actually on the route. When you hit the ground and start back up, it constitutes another attempt. There are no mulligans in onsighting. Like I said though, if it's an onsight to you, then onsight away!

Mj

Post by **rhunt** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 5:43 pm

Artsay, I agree it's a personal thing when you keep it to yourself...but for spraying that would be different.

If one is resting, even no-hands, on a route he or she is still climbing. A double knee bar, although obvious technique to most climbers is not always easy for climbers who never need to use that rest trick. So in my opinion, that would not be the same as resting on the ground.

Sizing up the routes conditions is all a part of the pre-on-sight process. If you choose to climb a route with suspect conditions..ie maybe wet...then you have to accept to consequences. It all part of the game.

Post by **allah** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 5:44 pm

Ok look at it this way, in alot of areas there are link ups and extensions. For instance, The extension of Bohica. If somone were to work bohica and get it completely wired and then go and do the extension first try would you count that as an on-sight? Just curious to what you all would think.

Post by **rhunt** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 5:45 pm

aaron, a belay ledge is the same thing as the ground

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 5:47 pm

I should lock this thread and ban you all

Post by **Horatio Felacio** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 5:53 pm

from rhunt and sik's arguments, i would guess that stick clipping and/or climbing to the first bolt, clipping, then downclimbing would nullify any onsight.

sik and rhunt, have you guys ever onsighted anything?

Post by **SCIN** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 6:00 pm

rhunt wrote:aaron, a belay ledge is the same thing as the ground

So rhunt, I've just onsighted every pitch of Astroman. I am on the last pitch. I start to climb off of the belay ledge then realize I'm gonna need more gear. I downclimb ten feet to get the yellow Aliens I'm gonna need.

I just blew my onsight of the most famous free climb in the world?

Post by **rhunt** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 6:10 pm

allah wrote:Ok look at it this way, in alot of areas there are link ups and extensions. For instance, The extension of Bohica. If somone were to work bohica and get it completely wired and then go and do the extension first try would you count that as an on-sight? Just curious to what you all would think.

Dude great point..not sure how to answer that..humm

Post by **Artsay** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 6:12 pm

Horatio nailed it. Same thing in my book.