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Re: Muir Valley Support
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:52 pm
by dustonian
metaphor
noun 1. a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance, as in “A mighty fortress is our God.”
If you intend your hypothesis to be taken literally, then your "metaphor" is more of an analogy, and a weak one at that. But yes, if you include the actual climbing routes as "infrastructure" then this factor has surely brought more climbers to Muir. And yes, as an epidemiological researcher I earn my bacon from differentiating association from causation.
Re: Muir Valley Support
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:02 pm
by bryan
cool
Re: Muir Valley Support
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:02 pm
by bryan
cool, Dustin. Im out
Re: Muir Valley Support
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:23 pm
by camhead
bryan wrote:
The point is that climbers like the elaborate infrastructure at Muir because it is convenient and safe. Just as people drive more when they have nice roads and migrate to cities with well-provided roads, climbers will migrate to areas with well-provided infrastructure leaving developers always “just behind” the growing demand, which leads to ever-growing and unsustainable infrastructure costs. It is the same damn thing. But i acknowledge that it is counterintuitive to basic logic. I would bet a graph of the ratio of infrastructure growth in Muir in relation to climber attendance would look a lot like a graph on urban road building in relation to traffic congestion.
Ok, we are in total agreement, then.
Re: Muir Valley Support
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:05 pm
by bryan
word, cam. Was mostly my lack of clear communication.
Here's one for all the Dewey Cox fans:
I'm working something out.
It's called a metaphor.
Well, what are you working out?
It's secret.
That's why it's called metaphor.
That's what metaphor means. Secret.
Re: Muir Valley Support
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:04 pm
by Meadows
No, it's like a metaphor.
Re: Muir Valley Support
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:21 pm
by dustonian
It's, like, a metaphor for a simile dipped in an analogy-like example.
Re: Muir Valley Support
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:29 pm
by clif
like mindlessness wrapped in webposts hidden with trivia. terminal derailment of such an important topic, stunning.
Re: Muir Valley Support
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:50 pm
by Nit
dustonian wrote:...as an epidemiological researcher...
Then you can clearly see that the climber virus, and its cancer-like spread takes a terrible toll on its hosts?
Re: Muir Valley Support
Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:51 pm
by Steve_RRG
We made a pretty good donation last year to FOMV and will likely make another one this year. Reading these posts makes me want to not donate. If everyone that goes to Muir would donate $5 per day and quit coming up with excuses, that would probably be enough to cover the deal. 30,000 visitors per year at $5 per head is $150,000. It would be a good start at least. If you can't afford the $5, don't go to Muir. There aren't many activites that cost less than $5 per day on private property.
Put up or shut up.
Steve