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Rotarypwr345704 wrote:

captain static wrote:The preliminary read from the USFS is that a business named Metro Rock from MA does not have a Special Use Permit for guiding in Red River Gorge. They are going to check further to see if any inquiry was made by such a business about a Special Use Permit. If no inquiry was made then I will contact Metro Rock. I will also make a post on RC.com about guiding.

Large groups are a concern in relation to LAC because they have the potential to increase impacts beyong the Limits of Acceptable Change, triggering the need for management actions. Just like Bob, the USFS expects climbers to police themselves. Next time you see a large commercial group in RRG, ask who is in charge and then ask the person in charge if they have a Special Use Permit. (Note: college groups are not currently required to get a permit) If you are sure that it is a commercial group and they do not have a permit, ask them to leave or else you will contact the rangers.

There will be a section in the Climbing Management Plan on guiding. One possibility would be to develop a crag just for guided groups, kinda like they have groupp campgrounds.

I ask this because I don't know, and don't mean this arrogantly as it my appear. But who are you? And because of who you are what gives me the right to ask someone to leave? I ask because I, as I'm sure others are, am uniformed. And I think it's a good idea that if we as a collective group decide that we're going to do something (this case ask people to disperse) We understand the whole issue, and who says what is right/wrong and who has authority to take such actions. I hope that didn't come off arrogant, I am just hoping to be informed

Clevis Hitch wrote:

Rotarypwr345704 wrote:

captain static wrote:The preliminary read from the USFS is that a business named Metro Rock from MA does not have a Special Use Permit for guiding in Red River Gorge. They are going to check further to see if any inquiry was made by such a business about a Special Use Permit. If no inquiry was made then I will contact Metro Rock. I will also make a post on RC.com about guiding.

Large groups are a concern in relation to LAC because they have the potential to increase impacts beyong the Limits of Acceptable Change, triggering the need for management actions. Just like Bob, the USFS expects climbers to police themselves. Next time you see a large commercial group in RRG, ask who is in charge and then ask the person in charge if they have a Special Use Permit. (Note: college groups are not currently required to get a permit) If you are sure that it is a commercial group and they do not have a permit, ask them to leave or else you will contact the rangers.

There will be a section in the Climbing Management Plan on guiding. One possibility would be to develop a crag just for guided groups, kinda like they have groupp campgrounds.

I ask this because I don't know, and don't mean this arrogantly as it my appear. But who are you? And because of who you are what gives me the right to ask someone to leave? I ask because I, as I'm sure others are, am uniformed. And I think it's a good idea that if we as a collective group decide that we're going to do something (this case ask people to disperse) We understand the whole issue, and who says what is right/wrong and who has authority to take such actions. I hope that didn't come off arrogant, I am just hoping to be informed

Am I wrong to think that shits funny...

DHB wrote:Tried to google RockMetro and came back with nothing. Did you mean Metro Rock? Well.. maybe not. I can't find anything on their site about a trip to the Red. Anyway, are you sure it was a paid guide. How do you know five people from some gym didn't decide to make a trip down, and that group suddenly turned into 20 as more people hear about it and realized it would fit in nicely on Spring Break? If they had lines on 11s and 12s, then do they really need a guide (though you make it sounds like they may not have been 11 and 12 climbers)? If I load five people in my Jeep and make them pay for gas and buy me a pizza afterward, does that make me a paid guide?

Nothing better than getting paid in pizza.

rjackson wrote:Curious... Did anyone ask if it was a guided tour? Was it possible that it was a youth team? Aren't there kids from TX that show up every year in vans from a gym, and also I think I remember a group from TN. I ran into a similar type group at Tectonic wall one year. They put up lines and camped there all day. But when we asked they went out of their way to let us climb on their draws, no waiting (unless someone was on the route). Nice kids enjoying climbing. Hmmm, and I don't recall any screaming, complaining, excuses, runaway dogs, unsafe belaying, spraying, or any of the other nonsense that shows up at most crags every weekend...