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Re: Grigri 2 vs. Trango Cinch

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:36 pm
by caribe
monty4355 wrote:I never have any trouble with an ATC spinning the biner. I think it is the large size of the click up that does it. I have had the auto block function not work on three different occasions while lead belaying. I still like the click up a lot. Enough to buy the very gimiky looking alpine up. As I said before as long as you have a special biner with the clip it does not spin.
Are you using the clickup upside down? The climber side should be up. Are you loading the rope right? The clickup will not autoblock is the climber side is not toward the climber; in that case it is just an atc. Is the clickup somehow positioned on your belay loop so it is naturally facing one side up or down? Climber points up and hand side points down. This is also how it should be used. Are you belaying such that you are pulling and/or pushing the rope with exaggerated motion sideways (in the transverse plane http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagittal_plane) instead of up and down (in the sagittal plane)?

I keep my break hand under the device when using the atc or the clickup. My palm is down. Neither my atc or my clickup is dancing around on my biner as I am paying slack or taking in. My motions are approximated aligned with my sagittal plane. I do this because it is just plain common sense . . .

Do you wonder why this is happening to you; what have you done to correct it? If the anti-crossloading biner corrects your problem why are you using the device without one??????? Posting that a device has failed to operate as advertised and continuing to use it constitutes a disrespect for the lives of others.

I am interested in what is happening to you because I use the device. While the 5 people I know who have been using the clickup for about a year now have not told me of this issue, I am interested in your issue. I am just another human being. Perhaps I will look at your issue and decide to switch devices.

Re: Grigri 2 vs. Trango Cinch

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:59 pm
by monty4355
I am using the device just as you mentioned. Trust me in saying I love the click-up and prefer it over a gri-gri. I have found that if you position the click-up on the narrower side of the biner this problem does not happen only when belaying from the wide side this could just be a coincidence.
I tried to upload a pic but had some trouble. What happens is the click-up gets pulled into the locked position by the falling climber however since the biner is cross-loaded the device gets blocked from twisting by the other side of the biner. So it is essentially the same as holding the device down as if you were to lower.

Re: Grigri 2 vs. Trango Cinch

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 2:12 pm
by caribe
monty4355 wrote:I love the click-up
Why? If I were I wouldn't. I am pming my email address to send me the image.

Re: Grigri 2 vs. Trango Cinch

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:35 pm
by Jeff
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Art "(don't talk smack about the) Click Up" Cammers :-)

Re: Grigri 2 vs. Trango Cinch

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:56 pm
by monty4355
caribe wrote:
monty4355 wrote:I love the click-up
Why? If I were I wouldn't. I am pming my email address to send me the image.
Because I bought a biner that has a keeper to stop it from cross-loading, problem solved.