RRC Archives

Wes wrote:Nothing short of massive population reduction is going to even make a dent.

Agreed, but what is the point of anything else if we don't try. Patriotism, and efforts at continuity hinge on a livable future ecology. Other countries are doing better then we are ecologically. They are also reaping the rewards. We are reaping the rewards from the efforts made by the generations that came before us. Think about the national treasure we have in yellowstone, yosemite, the grand canyon, hell the Red. The Red could be underwater right now. We owe the people who successfully preserved it big time. Thanks to them, we have a playground. The onus is on us to pick up trash (viz anticlimber) and keep the Red beautiful.
â™  We could be choking in toxic fumes, but we have cat converters . .
â™  we could be . . . . , but we have . . .
â™  the list goes on
It is all not a bust. The struggle toward sustainability is winnable. It will involve population control. I hope the pop control looks prettier than some dystopian realities suggests (viz. Orwell)

pigsteak wrote:do you bike to my house to climb?

I've mapped it and the roads are too busy especially after the sun sets. I used to pull up on my cycle after work at Basset house all the time. Ask Aaron the bad boyz of basset. RIP Basset, you are missed.

We are on the same page Anti. My point is if you are concerned about "going green", quitting your hobbies such as climbing is going to do very little.

true quitting just climbing would do little but people need to focus on the little things and how the add/subtract from the bigger pictur.

but

carpooling to climb +
small groups +
efficient vehicles +
LNT tactics +
not reproducing +++++
having what you need not anything you can have +
and the list of small things add up

sure, one person doing one little thing. eh not a huge impact but billions doing just one little thing, (esp. when its all the same thing; reducing car use for example) makes a difference. billions doing mulyiple little things = a bigger impact/reduction.


wes said "But, by all means keep picking the low hanging fruit on the feel good about your self tree." its better than the fox that tried for the grapes high in the tree and upon not being able to reach them proclaimed they must be sour and of no use so he gave up.
wes, i'm sorry you have become so bitter in your old age. i guess marriage does make one unhappy and angry.

caribe wrote:

pigsteak wrote:do you bike to my house to climb?

I've mapped it and the roads are too busy especially after the sun sets. I used to pull up on my cycle after work at Basset house all the time. Ask Aaron the bad boyz of basset. RIP Basset, you are missed.

weak sauce excuse giver

I don’t know about you guys, but I drive a hydrogen and electric powered scooter made from hemp, corn, and soy products to the crags. My rope and harness are both made from hemp, and my biners and other equipment are homemade from super strong renewable Kentucky oak trees, and hemp of course. I carry all my gear in a hemp/cotton canvas pack. My shoes are made from hemp and non-manufactured rubber directly from the rubber tree in my backyard. I only eat what I grow and always bury my shit. What could I do more to be greener?

quit using all my green for bullshit reasons

quit climbing?

We have gone through this subject in a previous thread: http://www.redriverclimbing.com/viewtop ... 1&start=45 and Pigsteak your sure not helping me out as I plead in the last post of that thread

I'm not sure where people get the idea that the environment is continually getting worse except for media hype and fear mongering. I recently attended a seminar where the keynote speaker from Ohio EPA went over the state of the environment in Ohio. They presented many areas of improvement. One scientifically measured improvement was in the attainment of aquatic life standards in Ohio's 23 large rivers. Since 2002 full attainment has increased from 60% to 90% and both partial attainment and non-attainment have decreased from 20% to less than 5%. There have been significant improvements in air quality also.

yeah, but your still in ohio