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I think we have enough votes to call this a victory.

Climbing a route via Trad protection is much harder than using bolted pro. This is not an excuse, it is just simple fact.

Your votes are only as good as the voters. How many of the voters train equally at all types of climbing? Those are the only votes that would help shed light on the issue.

powell.se wrote:I think we have enough votes to call this a victory.

Climbing a route via Trad protection is much harder than using bolted pro. This is not an excuse, it is just simple fact.

So what does that do or mean for you? Do you feel better about yourself?

powell.se you sir are retarded.

Thread over.

Myke Dronez wrote:This poll makes me feel like I'm sitting at a cramped desk with a clammy ass rereading the multiple choice question until the words are no longer recognizable.

+1. my head hurts.

Saxman wrote:Your votes are only as good as the voters. How many of the voters train equally at all types of climbing? Those are the only votes that would help shed light on the issue.

Exactly.

I can think of plenty of sport lines where clipping the draw was a crucial element of the crux of the route. Most of them are in the 5.13 range. Some of them put you face to face with huge ass whippers which can sometimes be pretty close to dangerous. I can't recall many trad lines in the Red which have that element. It's kind of tough to place gear on Days of Rage I guess.

I hate to break it to you children but the answer is none of the above. The hardest style of climbing is alpine mountain climbing. The approach starting in the middle of the night. Soloing the cracks the "traddies" whine about. Throw in a little ice climbing and mixed climbing. Seven solid pitches to the summit. And then jump some crevasses on the descent. Break base camp, drink some champagne and hike back out to the car after a 16 hour climb.

Mountain climbing is a sport. Trad, sport, bouldering are all games.

SCIN wrote:I can think of plenty of sport lines where clipping the draw was a crucial element of the crux of the route. Most of them are in the 5.13 range. Some of them put you face to face with huge ass whippers which can sometimes be pretty close to dangerous. I can't recall many trad lines in the Red which have that element. It's kind of tough to place gear on Days of Rage I guess.

Actually I just thought of a lot more trad lines with tough placements. I think when you're at your limit it's just hard to stop and place or clip or whatever.......trad or sport.

Mr Get it on Jones looks pretty sick. overhanging,no feet ,thin.