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mcrib wrote: Are there enough people who are willing to police routes and replace bad draws to make fixed draws safe?

Given the number of routes with fixed gear, the answer is no. Again, this supports making it a practice of getting rid of long term fixed draws.

rhunt wrote:Yet again this reminds me of a point I try to make that many people get angry about. We need to work to maintain our sport climbing infrastructure at the red at as fast or even faster pace then new route development. Can we stop new route development for just a few short months this winter and concentrate on getting all exisiting routes up to date? I will gladly donate cash to the project, as I have in the past. Team Suck?

rhunt , you head up the fundraising, and when you get $1,000 for updating, I will gladly do the work.. give me a list or bad bolts, and we'll set out with the kitty.

rhunt wrote: Can we stop new route development for just a few short months this winter and concentrate on getting all exisiting routes up to date? Team Suck?

are the developers and equippers necesarily the same people? Developers develope, those of us who want to get on thier routs should worry about making sure they are up to date.

Buster wrote:Yo, good discussion.
Of course you are all wrong and I am right... heh

No just old and senile!

mcrib wrote: Are there enough people who are willing to police routes and replace bad draws to make fixed draws safe?

That's absolutely not what we're trying to do here. We're taking care of our own safety and will take care of the routes in which we frequent - we being those who contributed monetarily. The advantage is that those climbing the same routes will find [in their common sense to diligently inspection draws] that the cost to them to stay safe is reduced.

I'm not trying to police any route - I'm trying to keep it easier to climb. We can't police negligence in any aspect.

Everyone saying that fixed gear is a Judgment call is right. Fixed gear gets old and wore, sometimes faster than other. Fixed gear is nice and easy which allows everyone to get an extra pitch in a day and saves a lot of time and energy. If a biner/draw/bolt/anything else is wore and you question it at all, then it is time for it to be changed. For years I have had people give me draws and biners for replacing things. The red and every other area ive been has fixed draws and they may not be necessary but they are convient. there will always be fixed draws we should just move on in the times just like traddies had to move on with the bolt clippers

We're taking care of our own safety and will take care of the routes in which we frequent

but the problem is that only "we" are not the only people climbing the routes. Are "we" may be only people that chip in money for this replacement process. I have not give money for that but I have replaced a lot of biners that were on the brink of failure. Everyone's safety is a concern unfortunately, not just the hip club.